Right Forearm vs. Right Hand Takeaway

[grantc79]

Hello all,

I am experimenting with different takeaways and wondered what insight could be provided.

I liked the shoulder turn takeaway because it gave me a very loose and relaxed feeling but didn't like how inside I would often wind up and the shanks that came with it.

The right forearm takeaway always had me feeling very bunched, taut, and I always struggled to go from a pulling right arm to a relaxed transition.


Enter the lagging takeaway......

Could this be described as a RIGHT HAND takeaway?

The sensation I'm going for is pulling to the top with my right hand and I seem to be very on plane.

I'm much more relaxed. Much more slow and heavy feeling. I'm getting a wider takeaway and more of a snap with increased lag at the turn.

Is pulling to the top with the right hand a bad feel to be going for?

[Yoda]

Hello all,

I am experimenting with different takeaways and wondered what insight could be provided.

I liked the shoulder turn takeaway because it gave me a very loose and relaxed feeling but didn't like how inside I would often wind up and the shanks that came with it.

The right forearm takeaway always had me feeling very bunched, taut, and I always struggled to go from a pulling right arm to a relaxed transition.


Enter the lagging takeaway......

Could this be described as a RIGHT HAND takeaway?

The sensation I'm going for is pulling to the top with my right hand and I seem to be very on plane.

I'm much more relaxed. Much more slow and heavy feeling. I'm getting a wider takeaway and more of a snap with increased lag at the turn.

Is pulling to the top with the right hand a bad feel to be going for?

The danger with the Right Hand Takeaway is the overwhelming tendency to Cock (perpendicular motion) the Right Wrist, thus disrupting the in-line Right Forearm and Clubshaft (Right Forearm Flying Wedge).

The danger of the Right Forearm Takeaway, while it eliminates the tendency to Cock the Right Wrist, is that it is done independent of the Pivot, and thus tends to also eliminate the Pivot (and its mission-critical function).

The danger of the Shoulder Turn Takeaway, as you've noted, is that it tends to drag the Hands back 'under' Plane.

The correct conception blends the Right Forearm Takeaway with the Pivot. The Body Turn is responsible for the circular motion of the Stroke and its Centrifugal Force. The Right Forearm is responsible for the width of the Stroke (via Extensor Action) and maintaining the On Plane Sweetspot (via 'Tracing'). In Golf, as in life, it 'takes two to tango', and nowhere in the Stroke is that more evident than in Start-Up.

Now, just as the Pivot creates 'Lag and Drag' from the Top through Impact, it also creates 'Lag and Drag' from Start-Up to the Top. This is especially true for Swingers monitoring the Pull of Centrifugal Force. In the Start-Down, the Motion reverses, Lag Pressure is established and Power is Loaded for its coming Release. So, bottom line . . .

Your Feeling of the Right Hand "Pull" during the Backstroke is a good one, as long as it does not Cock the Right Wrist or disrupt the Pivot.

[O.B.Left]

The danger of the Right Forearm Takeaway, while it eliminates the tendency to Cock the Right Wrist, is that it is done independent of the Pivot, and thus tends to also eliminate the Pivot (and its mission-critical function).

The correct conception blends the Right Forearm Takeaway with the Pivot. The Body Turn is responsible for the circular motion of the Stroke and its Centrifugal Force. The Right Forearm is responsible for the width of the Stroke (Extensor Action) and maintaining the On Plane Sweetspot. In Golf, as in life, it 'takes two to tango', and nowhere in the Stroke is that more evident than in Start-Up.

Man, I wish Id known that when I first started with the RFT! Took me about three trips to the Swamp to get it right, to get the Pivot going. Without it, Id often get a stuck right hip which caused some roundhouseing to the outside on the backswing.

Great post Lynn.

PS Lynn, wasnt it 28 years ago this week that you flew to Seattle to take your GSEM course with Homer? Without that journey all of us here would be less informed, to say the least. What you learned that week was right from Homers mouth. Pure and unfettered. No too many people can say that anymore. Only a gifted few could keep up with him, follow him, I imagine. Thanks for everything Lynn. "Treemendous."

[gmbtempe]

Great post Lynn,

I have fought everything you discuss, use the Right Forearm and I don't pivot but am closer to the plane....use pivot and I start the club under the plane.

The ball striking is better with the Shoulder Turn takeaway but I think the blending will be the key to better all around play.

[wally888]

Hello all,

I am experimenting with different takeaways and wondered what insight could be provided.

I liked the shoulder turn takeaway because it gave me a very loose and relaxed feeling but didn't like how inside I would often wind up and the shanks that came with it.

The right forearm takeaway always had me feeling very bunched, taut, and I always struggled to go from a pulling right arm to a relaxed transition.


Enter the lagging takeaway......

Could this be described as a RIGHT HAND takeaway?

The sensation I'm going for is pulling to the top with my right hand and I seem to be very on plane.

I'm much more relaxed. Much more slow and heavy feeling. I'm getting a wider takeaway and more of a snap with increased lag at the turn.

Is pulling to the top with the right hand a bad feel to be going for?

"I am experimenting with different takeaways and wondered what insight could be provided."

As in all properly conducted experiments you must make sure all other components, situations and conditions are the same. One of these may be effecting your results? Left hand grip pressure! Make sure it is the same in each experiment/trial- then you might vary it to see more results.
I find, when using a shoulder turn takeaway, if my left hand grip pressure is above about a 2 of ten, I really get the club inside and below the desired plane.
"Any opinions expressed here are just that, opinions and may have no bearing or resemblance to the truth!"