Gregg Mchatton no up in the Backswing

[Daryti]

In the video (Gregg Mchatton no up in the backswing in YOUTUBE), Gregg talks about no up in the backswing, seems to contradict but TGM. Also mention about the #3 pp in the video. Seems contracdict with TGM on the right forearm pick up. Any comments?

Is Gregg swinging on the elbow plane?

[O.B.Left]

Greg's Hands do go Back, In and Up as they must to be plane compliant. The fore mentioned Up of Three Dimensional Startup , Backswing is not the same "up" Mr Mchatton is referring to I dont believe. The "up" he is referring to is the up of heavy lifting , something normally done by those who employ a Shoulder Turn Takeaway or Left Side push away.

When the Left Arm and not the Right is in charge of taking the club Back, In and Up it gets to a point during the backswing at which it is poorly positioned to lift any more , which requires tremendous help from rest of the body. Better to just take it back with the Right Forearm which can get the job done with ease.

Greg employs a Swing Back with a Lagging Takeaway and tosses the club Back , In and Up. The last bit of club travel is momentum alone as opposed to muscular effort or lifting. A nice way to do things, it also goes really well with Float Loading on the way down.

Do an experiment where you try to take the club to Top with just your left arm attached to the club and see how hard it is.....It'll probably take some lifting. Most guys who struggle with the game lift it to Top or End and then start down with the Hands or Arms instead of their Pivot. Normally requiring a lot of Pivot Motion to get all the lifting going. Greg wants you to "grease" the last bit of the backswing and Startdown. You could call this Pivot Lag I believe. By not lifting you're able to calm your PIvot down some too. No more over turning on the backswing.

[strav]

In the video... Gregg talks about no up in the backswing

Gregg may be reflecting Hogan's warning in Lesson 3 where he says "you are heading for disaster if you thrust your arms UP above the plane so that they would shatter the pane of glass"

[david sandridge]

Having been a student of Greg I know he gets the club deep. When I saw him I was more upright and I just couldn't get it deep enough for him. We used a plane board which was set up on a TSP but it felt so...... flat. He loves to talk about "throw out"
It is big with him. He is big into Hogan. So if you have a flatter back swing and you haven't thought about taking the club up on the downswing you are more likely thinking about throwing out rather than down. I have always seen the golf swing as up and down. The baseball swing is more on a horizontal plane and I struggle with seeing and feeling the golf swing on an inclined plane.

[miji]

It seems like the left arm (deltoids) can achieve any position at the top until the right arm attaches which weighs (flattens path) it down...then, it seems like you need EA to stretch back up to TSP?? Does EA have a lesser role to a float loader like Gregg? Seems like he is not concerned with TSP and would likely not try to sacrifice momentum with overly active EA on the backswing (which is probably as harmful as braking action on the downswing for a float loader)? Is Greg sacrificing potential energy by not getting to TSP (he doesn't seem as limited to elbow plane as Allen Doyle, but he's more limited than TAIII from what I can tell), or is he just replacing it with additionally obtained "accumulated" energy (i.e. in acc #1 and #2) gained in his "float"?

[O.B.Left]

Hey miji

You might be stronger than me with the left arm. When Im hitting balls with just it attached I have to lift a bit. Great question about EA. Does anyone familiar with Gregs videos or lessons know if he talks about EA?

My apologies for the digression but this is something Ive been wondering about for a while. I really like his motion just wondering about EA and if or when he dials it up.

[Daryl]

Hey miji

You might be stronger than me with the left arm. When Im hitting balls with just it attached I have to lift a bit. Great question about EA. Does anyone familiar with Gregs videos or lessons know if he talks about EA?

My apologies for the digression but this is something Ive been wondering about for a while. I really like his motion just wondering about EA and if or when he dials it up.

EA occurs automatically when applying the RFT. GM doesn't use the RFT (GM = LCT) and since he uses the Elbow Plane, then .......

[innercityteacher]

Hey miji

You might be stronger than me with the left arm. When Im hitting balls with just it attached I have to lift a bit. Great question about EA. Does anyone familiar with Gregs videos or lessons know if he talks about EA?

My apologies for the digression but this is something Ive been wondering about for a while. I really like his motion just wondering about EA and if or when he dials it up.

We all need context for definition and by mentioning other instructors like Greg McHatton, I get a new "context" and potentially helpful insights in a different "language," which may be simpler for me to understand.

Happy New Year!

ICT