10-19-C Start down ?

[sandeep]

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone might help me to understand 10-19-C Drag Loading a little better. The book says
"Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the Swinger, and out-and-out Pull, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lenghthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release.

I'm having trouble with this concept of the quick Start Down. In the Alignment DVD's, Yoda talks about starting the downswing with the hip slide while the arms stay in place at the Top. To me that feels like a slow start down, and my attempts to make it quick usually end up with a jerky motion that goes way over the top. Can anyone help me clear up my misunderstandings about what Mr. Kelley is saying? Thanks.

[KevCarter]

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone might help me to understand 10-19-C Drag Loading a little better. The book says
"Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the Swinger, and out-and-out Pull, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lenghthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release.

I'm having trouble with this concept of the quick Start Down. In the Alignment DVD's, Yoda talks about starting the downswing with the hip slide while the arms stay in place at the Top. To me that feels like a slow start down, and my attempts to make it quick usually end up with a jerky motion that goes way over the top. Can anyone help me clear up my misunderstandings about what Mr. Kelley is saying? Thanks.

Proper sequencing. No matter the procedure used, you need to start the hips first (Hula-Hula) or you rotate around your right leg... I haven't been able to grasp the meaning of "quick" start down either. Hopefully someone else will explain further.



Kevin

[Etzwane]

My guess would be that once you've done the Hula-Hula, a steady acceleration Clubshaft lenghthwise helps maintaining lag however one would have to be able to properly release the lag and overacceleration would cause loss of Lag Pressure.

This is in contrast to Drive Loading where the Start Down is a slow and deliberate transport of the power package to the release point in order not to run out of right arm before follow-through.

[sandeep]

My guess would be that once you've done the Hula-Hula, a steady acceleration Clubshaft lenghthwise helps maintaining lag however one would have to be able to properly release the lag and overacceleration would cause loss of Lag Pressure.

This is in contrast to Drive Loading where the Start Down is a slow and deliberate transport of the power package to the release point in order not to run out of right arm before follow-through.

I understand proper sequencing and the downswing starting "from the ground up" per Hogan, or Hula-Hula. But regardless of swinging with the "steady acceleration Clubshaft lengthwise" or hitting with a "slow and deliberate transport of the power package", the Start Down still does not feel like a "quick" movement to me. I think I am missing something important as I am fairly confident that Mr. Kelley did not italicize those terms without good reason.

[O.B.Left]

I'm foggy on this quick vs slow thing too, great question. It feels slow either way to me too.

I'd guess that the distinction is between Drive and Drag Loading and the existence of any Hip Work as opposed to merely Hip Motion. Any Hip Action, Work tending to induce Pulling and therefore Longitudinal Acceleration as opposed to Drive Loadings purely Radial Acceleration.

Ground Up vs not Ground Up in other words. Were talking 12-1 pure Drive Loading not just any old form of Hitting here. A hitter using a Swingers Startdown would be Ground Up and pull hard, longitudinal acceleration prior to Thrusting Radially.

I dunno.

[drewitgolf]

Here is a response I received from Yoda many, many moons ago, when asking the same question:

"When Power is a consideration, Swingers must generate an Instantaneous Acceleration in the Start Down to 'Crank the Gyroscope' and 'spin the flywheel' (2-K). This sets up the Centrifugal Downstroke Release Sequence (6-M-1). For Hitters, that Acceleration must begin slowly and then be Timed for Maximum Thrust through Impact (6-C-2-D and 6-F-1).

The idea is that an instantaneous Hip Action -- this is the 'quick' -- initiates the proper Downstroke On Plane Right Shoulder Turn and Release Sequence. When Homer talked of this Swinger's Start-Down, he would always refer to "Hogan's move."

Nevertheless, even though the Acceleration generated by the Hip Action is 'instantaneous,' the Hands still Feel the Loading as 'deliberate, positive and heavy.' In fact, the more 'instantaneous' the Hip Action, the more the 'held back' Hands Feel 'deliberate, positive and heavy.' Even though this loading action will cause the Hands ultimately to move faster in the Downstroke, they will not Feel faster -- only more...you guessed it:

Deliberate;

Positive; and...

Heavy.

It is an enhanced sense of Effective Mass versus Velocity (2-M-1)."

[O.B.Left]

Thanks Drew.

Is this then the application (or not) of Pivot Power, Power Accumulator #4? 4B hitters using a Swingers Start Down being 4,1/2,3 etc?

[sandeep]

Thanks Drew, not that I do it all the time but that kind of feeling in the swing makes sense to me.