Lob Shots

[Mathew]

What is your procedure when wishing to play a high lob shot....

[RickPinewild]

With my new found TGM swing, I just roll my left wrist open and leave it there. High and Soft.

[Bagger Lance]

When it's lob time I set up open stance, open hips. Lay the clubface down slightly open to the target line. I setup with the ball forward in my stance towards the left heel.
From there it's a simple "acquired motion" swing. Take the right forearm up to just parallel with the ground and depending on how high and far I want to hit it, I come down with the appropriate acceleration using vertical hinging (reverse roll feel) and into the finish. All of this while maintaining a flat left wrist through impact.
Not much different than a bunker shot...except aiming point is in front of the ball.

Bagger

[EC]

Let me add a little if I may,

Let's try a circle path delivery with vertical hinging. Remember to zero out the axis tilt to insure throwout. The "FEEL" will be that the sternum and and coccyx are in direct alignment, and that the right shoulder remains "HIGH" with the club coming into alignment very early. Clubhead bounce angles will dictate much of what is feasible with these shots, so experimentation is vital. The results of the testing will have to remain in your "computer" to be conjured up in planning specific shots at hand given different ground density parameters WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THROWOUT AND (if you're reallly good) INTENTIONAL DEGREES OF THROWAWAY .

EC

PS: IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE IN LAMBEAU!

[Bagger Lance]

Let me add a little if I may,

Let's try a circle path delivery with vertical hinging. Remember to zero out the axis tilt to insure throwout. The "FEEL" will be that the sternum and and coccyx are in direct alignment, and that the right shoulder remains "HIGH" with the club coming into alignment very early. Clubhead bounce angles will dictate much of what is feasible with these shots, so experimentation is vital. The results of the testing will have to remain in your "computer" to be conjured up in planning specific shots at hand given different ground density parameters WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THROWOUT AND (if you're reallly good) INTENTIONAL DEGREES OF THROWAWAY .

EC

PS: IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE IN LAMBEAU!

EC,

Welcome to the forum! Not a Packers site but hey, if you are a fan that it makes it all the better. As you can see, Yoda likes it green!

I'm going to press you on this one to see if you can help "clear the fog" on the terminology and procedure. There's a bunch of new folks here that could really benefit from your post if you can break it down a bit.

I'll kick it off with some clarification of your first sentance...In TGM path is always the path of the hands.

Hope all is well at Pinehurst...

Bagger

[Trig]

What is your procedure when wishing to play a high lob shot....

I only play this shot as a last resort and only if the lie is not on hardpan.

But, when I do play it, I set up for it much like a bunker shot. This is what I do, maybe we'll find out if I'm right or not!

1. Open clubface and point it towards my target.

2. Open my stance quite a bit - if I have a very high short shot to hit, I open my stance a lot, less so for longer flops.

3. Play the ball in middle/front of stance.

4. Apply varying amounts of lag pressure on the downswing, depending on how far/high the shot needs to be.

5. Use vertical hinging.

[EC]

Originally Posted by EC

Let me add a little if I may, Let's try a circle path delivery with vertical hinging. Remember to zero out the axis tilt to insure throwout. The "FEEL" will be that the sternum and and coccyx are in direct alignment, and that the right shoulder remains "HIGH" with the club coming into alignment very early. Clubhead bounce angles will dictate much of what is feasible with these shots, so experimentation is vital. The results of the testing will have to remain in your "computer" to be conjured up in planning specific shots at hand given different ground density parameters WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THROWOUT AND (if you're reallly good) INTENTIONAL DEGREES OF THROWAWAY . EC PS: IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE IN LAMBEAU!

EC,

Welcome to the forum! Not a Packers site but hey, if you are a fan that it makes it all the better. As you can see, Yoda likes it green!

I'm going to press you on this one to see if you can help "clear the fog" on the terminology and procedure. There's a bunch of new folks here that could really benefit from your post if you can break it down a bit.

I'll kick it off with some clarification of your first sentance...In TGM path is always the path of the hands.

Hope all is well at Pinehurst...

Bagger

Bagger,

Thanks for the welcome, but hey, I'm no Packer fan! It's Panthers all the way and a GREEN bermuda grass field. There is absolutely NOTHING I like about a frozen tundra!!!


OK,

Circle path is a CIRCULAR hand delivery path...no straight line is attempted, and is normally executed without an axis tilt. Accompanied by vertical hinging it is capable of producing super soft shots. Quite frankly, when given a decent lie, I make a couple of adjustments to assure that I disrupt RHYTHM and thus create intentional throwaway. In Mr. Kelley's own words..."Throwaway can be an extremely useful procedure when used intentionally." Granted, this takes a superior understanding of the mechanics, but isn't it superiority for which we are all striving?

EC

[giantsuckingsound]

Let me add a little if I may,

Let's try a circle path delivery with vertical hinging. Remember to zero out the axis tilt to insure throwout. The "FEEL" will be that the sternum and and coccyx are in direct alignment, and that the right shoulder remains "HIGH" with the club coming into alignment very early. Clubhead bounce angles will dictate much of what is feasible with these shots, so experimentation is vital. The results of the testing will have to remain in your "computer" to be conjured up in planning specific shots at hand given different ground density parameters WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THROWOUT AND (if you're reallly good) INTENTIONAL DEGREES OF THROWAWAY .

EC


PS: IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE IN LAMBEAU!

I have seen EC demo this! He can execute the LOB like nobody's business. E how about the super turned grip?

[EC]

OK, but everybody's going to take this as TGM blasphemy, but CLOSE the stance line, square plane line, super turned left wrist, super strong right wrist (anything to FLATTEN it out),elbow pointing TOWARD the target, reverse axis tilt, vertical hinging, aiming point BEHIND the ball, circle path delivery with as much speed relative to the aiming point as you dare!!!!!! Oh yeah, keep the blade square unless you need to hit it STRAIGHT up! THROWAWAY can be your friend!

EC

[JohnThomas1]

The 60 degree wedge has been a godsend for this shot. It allows me to hit the shot without straying too far from my normal pitch. I use a slightly open stance, and play the ball a bit forward, close to the left heel. My shaft would be slightly back of vertical. I open the face a little and use early wrist cock on the way back as well as not worrying about throwaway on the way thru. A great find for me was in not picking the club up too sharply, i actually like to sweep it back. A shallow angle of approach works well for me for some reason. Maybe i get better loft value from the club.