Right arm participation vs Right arm thrust

[jim_0068]

Just something i wanted to share as it was something i learned recently.

Basically it's like this, i'm a swinger who at times will add right arm participation in the swing. It adds swing speed, ball speed, and significant difference when i "use it." Now how am i using this "right arm participation" you ask? Basically how Tomasello says in his videos. I am simply consciously un-bending my right arm around release point to create more speed. The key to this is to simply use your tricep muscle. DO NO UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE "PUSH" OFF OF PP #1. It won't work. Now maybe this is switting or over riding centrifugal force or whatever, but it works.

Also sometimes i will purposely use a "hitting" motion and when i do this i will "push" off of pp #1 and use right arm thrust into the ball. Works great.

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The key is that you can still easily perform a horizontal hinge with what i call "right arm participation" without any real manipulation. However if you are using "right arm thrust" properly and using the angle of approach you should only end up using an angled hinge unless you are doing something weird with your right forearm rotation.

Take this info for what it's worth but it's just something i've learned and can demonstarte and i wanted to share.

So...

right arm participation = un bend your right arm by using the tricep muscle

right arm thrust = un bend your right arm and add thrust by pushing against pp #1

[armourall]

Just something i wanted to share as it was something i learned recently.

Basically it's like this, i'm a swinger who at times will add right arm participation in the swing. It adds swing speed, ball speed, and significant difference when i "use it." Now how am i using this "right arm participation" you ask? Basically how Tomasello says in his videos. I am simply consciously un-bending my right arm around release point to create more speed. The key to this is to simply use your tricep muscle. DO NO UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE "PUSH" OFF OF PP #1. It won't work. Now maybe this is switting or over riding centrifugal force or whatever, but it works.

Also sometimes i will purposely use a "hitting" motion and when i do this i will "push" off of pp #1 and use right arm thrust into the ball. Works great.

----

The key is that you can still easily perform a horizontal hinge with what i call "right arm participation" without any real manipulation. However if you are using "right arm thrust" properly and using the angle of approach you should only end up using an angled hinge unless you are doing something weird with your right forearm rotation.

Take this info for what it's worth but it's just something i've learned and can demonstarte and i wanted to share.

So...

right arm participation = un bend your right arm by using the tricep muscle

right arm thrust = un bend your right arm and add thrust by pushing against pp #1

Jim,

Since it's not an active thrust against PP#1, do you think the right tricep action may just be reducing the inertia of the right forearm, allowing the left to swing faster?

[bambam]

Jim,

If "right arm participation" = unbending your right arm using the tricep muscle, I'm curious how what you've described is different from extensor action as Homer defined it?

6-B-1-D EXTENSOR ACTION is exclusively the steady effort to straighten the bent Right Arm

Thanks!

[annikan skywalker]

Extensor action is Non-Accelerating the primary lever assembly

Right Arm Drive is Accelerating both lever assemblies


The key is Nonaccelerating vs. Accelerating


Acceleration is a change in distance over a change in time


Hard to pick up visually for the untrained eye...

[bambam]

Extensor action is Non-Accelerating the primary lever assembly

Right Arm Drive is Accelerating both lever assemblies


The key is Nonaccelerating vs. Accelerating


Acceleration is a change in distance over a change in time


Hard to pick up visually for the untrained eye...

OK, So then a better question for Jim would have been...is his "right arm unbending" a steady or an accelerating action?

The reason I ask is because it seems that if you accelerate the right arm unbending at all, won't you feel the results of that action through a pressure point? If so and it's not pp1, then which pp is it?

[jim_0068]

OK, So then a better question for Jim would have been...is his "right arm unbending" a steady or an accelerating action?

The reason I ask is because it seems that if you accelerate the right arm unbending at all, won't you feel the results of that action through a pressure point? If so and it's not pp1, then which pp is it?

It is an accelerating action that i only start to do consciously around what my brain interpret's to be release point (hip high).

Honestly, it is too quick of a motion to really feel anything anywhere. I am just trying to wallop the ball

[12 piece bucket]

1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT The “mystery” of the Mechanics of Golf fades away when Right Arm participation is understood (6-B-1). Whether its participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually because in either case the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING. . . .

This, alone, does not properly separate “Hitters” and “Swingers” because it is possible to “Swing” the Club with either Arm but only the Right Arm can actually “Hit.” See 10-19. However, you will save yourself much anguish by using the Right Hand just for sensing and controlling acceleration and the Left Hand just for sensing and controlling alignments.

7-3 STROKES – BASIC . . . The Elbow must always be someplace and as there are only three defineable locations there are three Major Basic Strokes – Punch, Pitch, and Push (10-3). . . . The Elbow must always be someplace and as there are only three defineable locations there are three Major Basic Strokes – Punch, Pitch, and Push (10-3). . . . So the Right Forearm must leave – and precisely return to – its own Fix Position (7- “Angle of Approach” (regardless of the true Clubhead Angle of Approach) because both procedures will produce identical Clubhead Delivery Lines. . . .

, it is absolutely MANDATORY that, Hitting or Swinging, it is the Right Forearm – not just the Right Hand and/or Clubshaft – that must be thrown, or driven, into Impact per 7-2-3.

[ThinkingPlus]

Acceleration is a change in distance over a change in time

Actually it is a change in velocity (dv) over a change in time (dt). Sorry about the nitpicking, but just trying to make sure we have a physics compliant site.

[annikan skywalker]

Let's have a physics compliant site

You're right.....Thanks for your correction

Average Acceleration = Change in Velocity divided by a Change in Time

Now are we talking:

Linear or Angular Motion

The formulas vary slightly for both

Theta = Arc Length divided by the radius

Omega = Average Angular Velocity equals a change in theta divided by a change in time

Alpha = Average Angular Acceleration equals a change in omega divided by a change in time

Arc Acceleration = alpha times the radius

Centripetal acceleration = Omega squared times the radius

Centripetal Force = Mass times Omega Squared times the Radius

Centrifugal Force = Newtons 3rd Law to Centrifugal Force

Documented Source: "Biomechanics of Sport and Exercise" 2nd editon, Peter Mc Ginnis, Quick reference equations, p.1.


Why weren't these formulas used in the Yellow Book? Bibliography? Documented Sources/ Footnotes?

That's Ok.....I believe Homer anyway....28 years of work very impressive...but I work for a University...If I submitted that wonderful piece of work...the Dissertation Committee would have told me nice try and re-tee!!!

[ThinkingPlus]

Let's have a physics compliant site

You're right.....Thanks for your correction

Average Acceleration = Change in Velocity divided by a Change in Time

Now are we talking:

Linear or Angular Motion

The formulas vary slightly for both

Theta = Arc Length divided by the radius

Omega = Average Angular Velocity equals a change in theta divided by a change in time

Alpha = Average Angular Acceleration equals a change in omega divided by a change in time

Arc Acceleration = alpha times the radius

Centripetal acceleration = Omega squared times the radius

Centripetal Force = Mass times Omega Squared times the Radius

Centrifugal Force = Newtons 3rd Law to Centrifugal Force

Documented Source: "Biomechanics of Sport and Exercise" 2nd editon, Peter Mc Ginnis, Quick reference equations, p.1.


Why weren't these formulas used in the Yellow Book? Bibliography? Documented Sources/ Footnotes?

That's Ok.....I believe Homer anyway....28 years of work very impressive...but I work for a University...If I submitted that wonderful piece of work...the Dissertation Committee would have told me nice try and re-tee!!!

Those equations look mighty fine although strange to my eye. I have never seen them written out in English. I am so used to the Greek letters / mathematical forms, I had to re-read these several times to understand.