Flat left wrist - new thought ?

[golfbulldog]

I know that the FLW has been discussed alot (anatomical / geometric / etc ) but it stuck me that the appearance of the wrist is really a consequence of the forces being transmitted through it IMO.

The COG of the clubhead will line up with the left shoulder when the club is at bottom of swing - right?

If, whilst holding your club, somebody were to grab the sweetspot between finger and thumb and stretch out the club and arm so that they form a taut straight line... then observe the left wrist condition....isn't the appearance of the left wrist in this condition FLAT ?

It is the longitudinal direction of pull that is undeniable and the force controls the appearance of the left wrist.... does FLW 'happen' if we let it ...or should we actively 'hold' it flat??

Simulating the forces in a correct swing might be a better way of describing the appearance of the left wrist...especially to newcomers??

Thanks for any thoughts...

[bts]

I know that the FLW has been discussed alot (anatomical / geometric / etc ) but it stuck me that the appearance of the wrist is really a consequence of the forces being transmitted through it IMO.

The COG of the clubhead will line up with the left shoulder when the club is at bottom of swing - right?

If, whilst holding your club, somebody were to grab the sweetspot between finger and thumb and stretch out the club and arm so that they form a taut straight line... then observe the left wrist condition....isn't the appearance of the left wrist in this condition FLAT ?

It is the longitudinal direction of pull that is undeniable and the force controls the appearance of the left wrist.... does FLW 'happen' if we let it ...or should we actively 'hold' it flat??

Simulating the forces in a correct swing might be a better way of describing the appearance of the left wrist...especially to newcomers??

Thanks for any thoughts...

"does FLW 'happen' if we let it"
Not just FLW, all the other "Essentials" and "Imperatives" do, if the "Lag" has been sustained.

You sustain the lag, during which the "Law" takes care of the rest, all of them.

[nuke99]

FLW is inter related to throwaway, since golf is a series of sequential motion. Though, educating the wrist is important. But learning not to throwaway is essential to keeping FLW in a motion.

Couple good yet quick advise on this given to me so far is.

There is no active wrist muscle. The motions are provided by the Pivot and perhaps arms.

Swing the BUTT.

[12 piece bucket]

I know that the FLW has been discussed alot (anatomical / geometric / etc ) but it stuck me that the appearance of the wrist is really a consequence of the forces being transmitted through it IMO.

The COG of the clubhead will line up with the left shoulder when the club is at bottom of swing - right?

If, whilst holding your club, somebody were to grab the sweetspot between finger and thumb and stretch out the club and arm so that they form a taut straight line... then observe the left wrist condition....isn't the appearance of the left wrist in this condition FLAT ?

It is the longitudinal direction of pull that is undeniable and the force controls the appearance of the left wrist.... does FLW 'happen' if we let it ...or should we actively 'hold' it flat??

Simulating the forces in a correct swing might be a better way of describing the appearance of the left wrist...especially to newcomers??

Thanks for any thoughts...

GBdawg . . . You are on it BUT and this is a HUGE MONUMENTAL BUT . . . . the forces MUST be on plane forces and they MUST BE "LET" to happen . . . . any interference is a MAJOR DISRUPTION . . . . so the wrist must be trained to "LET" otherwise faulty forces and even more so FAULTY CONCEPTS will destroy the alignment.


So remember Flat is a GEOMETRIC ALIGNMENT with the club being in line with the left arm right. If the forces are properly aligned and laws not conflicting then it works out . . . . but if you got a faulty program in your 'puter . . . forget about it . . . if you got an off plane motion forget about it . . . if you don't go down and out on-plane forget about it . . . if you have round housing forget about it . . . you CAN'T leave it to chance or CF because it can be fleeting if you try to control or over power CF. You can Swing in your sleep as Homer said but you can for sure screw it up bad if you wake up on the wrong side of the bed.

[rwh]

.... does FLW 'happen' if we let it ...or should we actively 'hold' it flat??

The culprit is usually the right (trail) wrist condition, not the left (lead) wrist.

The correct impact wrist conditions are those established at Impact Fix and the key is the amount of bend in the trail wrist established at Impact Fix. Any loss of bend in the trail wrist immediately results in lead wrist bend and clubhead throwaway; see 4-D-1.

If the trail wrist is being "overused", a flat lead wrist will not "happen".

[lagster]

The culprit is usually the right (trail) wrist condition, not the left (lead) wrist.

The correct impact wrist conditions are those established at Impact Fix and the key is the amount of bend in the trail wrist established at Impact Fix. Any loss of bend in the trail wrist immediately results in lead wrist bend and clubhead throwaway; see 4-D-1.

If the trail wrist is being "overused", a flat lead wrist will not "happen".

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Do you like the idea of the FROZEN- BENT-LEVEL-RIGHT WRIST? There are some that say one should not (TRY) to do this either... that this is an "effect", such as they are talking about with the Flat Left Wrist.

What do you think?

[rprevost]

In March or April of this year, I came across TGM with its emphasis on the three imperatives. I realized that I was a struggling flipper. There are all kinds of causes for this; for me, I was quitting on my pivot too soon. In order to overcome this problem, I started working on Basic Motion everyday. I hit about 60 balls or so. While doing this, I focused on a FLW and taking a divot after I hit the ball. After a while, I started working on Acquired Motion, while intentionally and actively trying to swing to follow through. I would hit 45 or so balls with Basic Motion and 45 balls or so with Acquired Motion. That exercise got me to keep my pivot going through impact. At the end of the day, I ingrained a stroke pattern that enabled my pivot to carry my arms and hands through impact without quitting; and the result is that I can, most of the time, not all, swing with a FLW at impact without thinking about it, or doing anything active to get a FLW. So . . . I would say, given GolfBulldog's question, that a FLW in a good swing is the result of the natural geometry of the swing and not something that one actively does in a full stroke; but in order to learn how to do that, one must spend some time intentionally and actively hitting with a FLW, through Basic Motion and Acquired Motion.

[rwh]

Do you like the idea of the FROZEN- BENT-LEVEL-RIGHT WRIST? There are some that say one should not (TRY) to do this either... that this is an "effect", such as they are talking about with the Flat Left Wrist. What do you think?

My experience and my opinion is that correct wrist conditions from release through impact is a learned skill that doesn't just "happen". How correct wrist conditions are learned and what "feels" are involved will differ from player to player. Once learned, it may seem like it "just happens", but only because the skill has been trained and drilled in.

If "frozen" is an image that works, I don't have a problem with it. I think it might be especially useful for a Hitter. It doesn't work for me (Swinger), because it induces a tension and tightness that I don't like.

[golfbulldog]

Thanks for your replies - do you agree that the correct appearance of the FLW can be simulated as I described in 1st post?

ie.

(If, whilst holding your club, somebody were to grab the sweetspot between finger and thumb and stretch out the club and arm so that they form a taut straight line... then observe the left wrist condition....isn't the appearance of the left wrist in this condition FLAT ?)

[Daz]

Depends on your left hand grip Bulldog if its a strong grip the left wrist will be bent when the primary lever (club and arm) form a straight line. Unless your friend who is pulling the sweetspot away from you allows the clubface to roll closed. 10-2-B would be the only one to make a real FLW.

Thats what happens when I tried it anyway.