PP3--Top to End

[DOCW3]

In the Free Gallery--LBG Videos---PP3 Where Are You-- Yoda teaches that #3 pressure point for the Hitter is behind the shaft at the Top but the Swinger in continuing to End has it on top of the shaft. He also discusses elbow position.

What happens to accomplish this change?

Ref: 7-3 STROKES--BASIC , second paragraph

[O.B.Left]

I love this topic. Love it. Just going from Top to End should do it I think, DOC. Hence Homer's preference for Hitters to stop at Top and then Drive Load that first joint with Lag Pressure. Drive the wet mop!

The knuckle vs the first joint. One on the top of the handle, one on the aft. As per the Flying Wedges! 90 degrees to each other. You need a good right hand grip, see Hogan's.

Drag one or Drive the other.

Drag then Drive's OK too. That'd be your Four Barrel.

But .....Drag and Drive at the same time?????? Swing and Hit at the same time? One trying to drag the left hand while its turned to the plane and the other trying to push the left hand off the plane all at the same time? That'd scatter your Vectors wouldnt it?

[DOCW3]

Trying to develop a question! In the interim, from 7-3, the right forearm position at the Top is different for Hitters and Swingers. What are the primary contributors? Also, is it correct that Top is hands at shoulder level?

[O.B.Left]

Trying to develop a question! In the interim, from 7-3, the right forearm position at the Top is different for Hitters and Swingers. What are the primary contributors? Also, is it correct that Top is hands at shoulder level?

7-3 makes reference to a different Right Elbow position for the Arc and Angle of Approach Procedures. You can Hit and use the Arc or the Angle but Swinging you can only use the Arc. The Arc and the Angle do not share the same Plane Line so to be precise its not just the Right Elbow position that differs! 2-J-3 is a big mess of worms.....hard to understand for a few thousand readings.

Yes, Top is Right Shoulder High.

To answer your question very basically , your Right Forearm and therefore Elbow support the loading action ......is in line with the direction of the loading action. Like a column supports the weight of a floor above it say. It back stops it, a very handy thing that'll inhibit off plane loading like say Nancy Lopez or Raymond Floyd.

Think of the Right Forearm as a support post at Top or End but then turning into an on plane extension of the clubshaft with all its added mass and leverage through impact!!

The #3 pp has two locations. One at the knuckle , on the top of the shaft , typically a swingers location for Loading as per 10-19-C Drag Loading. Here for the Right Forearm to act in a supporting role it must be in line with the loading of the Knuckle along the Top of the Shaft ie directly under the Top of the shaft at End. Vice versa for the Hitter who loads the First Joint in the Right Index Finger, the AFt of the Shaft and 10-19-A Drives Loads. Here the Right Forearm will be directly opposite or inline with the Loading of the Aft of the Shaft at Top.

So you can see that if you are in the process of loading one or the other Pressure Point you'd best have your elbow positioned accordingly during the Backstroke. The elbow position is not merely a result of stopping at Top or End, its a geometric alignment in support of the loading action, what ever it may be.

Given the same Plane Line for both procedures you have two different Right Elbow Positions. One inline with the Top of the Shaft , one inline with the Aft. Both having corresponding #3pp locations and ideally a "c" shaped index finger ala Hogan's right hand grip. You need your knuckle on the top , your first joint on the aft. Especially if you Drag then Drive.

In the Royal and Ancient Golf Clubs museum at St Andrews they have bronze casts of the grips of Open winners past .............every one of them had this alignment to their right index finger.

Hogan even aligned his knuckle and first joint in a similar fashion, when tee'n up a ball! Coincidence?

Its weird how when you learn about the alignments you start seeing them everywhere. Or maybe Im crazy.



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[12 piece bucket]

7-3 makes reference to a different Right Elbow position for the Arc and Angle of Approach Procedures. You can Hit and use the Arc or the Angle but Swinging you can only use the Arc. The Arc and the Angle do not share the same Plane Line so to be precise its not just the Right Elbow position that differs! 2-J-3 is a big mess of worms.....hard to understand for a few thousand readings.

Yes, Top is Right Shoulder High.

To answer your question very basically , your Right Forearm and therefore Elbow support the loading action ......is in line with the direction of the loading action. Like a column supports the weight of a floor above it say. It back stops it, a very handy thing that'll inhibit off plane loading like say Nancy Lopez or Raymond Floyd.

Think of the Right Forearm as a support post at Top or End but then turning into an on plane extension of the clubshaft with all its added mass and leverage through impact!!

The #3 pp has two locations. One at the knuckle , on the top of the shaft , typically a swingers location for Loading as per 10-19-C Drag Loading. Here for the Right Forearm to act in a supporting role it must be in line with the loading of the Knuckle along the Top of the Shaft ie directly under the Top of the shaft at End. Vice versa for the Hitter who loads the First Joint in the Right Index Finger, the AFt of the Shaft and 10-19-A Drives Loads. Here the Right Forearm will be directly opposite or inline with the Loading of the Aft of the Shaft at Top.

So you can see that if you are in the process of loading one or the other Pressure Point you'd best have your elbow positioned accordingly during the Backstroke. The elbow position is not merely a result of stopping at Top or End, its a geometric alignment in support of the loading action, what ever it may be.

Given the same Plane Line for both procedures you have two different Right Elbow Positions. One inline with the Top of the Shaft , one inline with the Aft. Both having corresponding #3pp locations and ideally a "c" shaped index finger ala Hogan's right hand grip. You need your knuckle on the top , your first joint on the aft. Especially if you Drag then Drive.

In the Royal and Ancient Golf Clubs museum at St Andrews they have bronze casts of the grips of Open winners past .............every one of them had this alignment to their right index finger.

Hogan even aligned his knuckle and first joint in a similar fashion, when tee'n up a ball! Coincidence?

Its weird how when you learn about the alignments you start seeing them everywhere. Or maybe Im crazy.



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http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=128157826 7

Those are awesome pics . . .. that dude's hands just look like they belong on a golf club.

[gmbtempe]

The Arc and the Angle do not share the same Plane Line so to be precise its not just the Right Elbow position that differs! 2-J-3 is a big mess of worms.....hard to understand for a few thousand readings.

This makes no sense to me, are you saying you have two different baselines of the plane for hitting and swinging? In hitting you should be tracing a baseline that would be different than swinging for a square-square setup to hit a straight shot.

[O.B.Left]

This makes no sense to me, are you saying you have two different baselines of the plane for hitting and swinging? In hitting you should be tracing a baseline that would be different than swinging for a square-square setup to hit a straight shot.

No thats not exactly what Im saying. Again Hitters can use the Angle or the Arc of Approach.


A Hitter using the Arc of Approach would be using, Tracing the same Plane Line Base Line as a Swinger.

But a Hitter using the Angle Of Approach will construct a Plane which has a Base Line that passes through Impact and Low Point and therefor out to right field to varying degrees depending on ball position vis a vis low point. A straight line equivalent to the Arc of Approaches curved Delivery Line through the same two points, which he will Cover Visually. They both satisfy the ideal geometry for Impact , 2-C-0.

Sorry , its a real head scratcher I know, gmbtempe. Words fail horribly in the description of this concept.

[DOCW3]

Thanks OBLeft. I now have a different understanding of what Yoda meant by PP3 rotating. Are there book references for including the first knuckle in PP3?

Daryl~could you repost or pm it to me? Thanks

7-3 makes reference to a different Right Elbow position for the Arc and Angle of Approach Procedures. You can Hit and use the Arc or the Angle but Swinging you can only use the Arc. The Arc and the Angle do not share the same Plane Line so to be precise its not just the Right Elbow position that differs! 2-J-3 is a big mess of worms.....hard to understand for a few thousand readings.

Yes, Top is Right Shoulder High.

To answer your question very basically , your Right Forearm and therefore Elbow support the loading action ......is in line with the direction of the loading action. Like a column supports the weight of a floor above it say. It back stops it, a very handy thing that'll inhibit off plane loading like say Nancy Lopez or Raymond Floyd.

Think of the Right Forearm as a support post at Top or End but then turning into an on plane extension of the clubshaft with all its added mass and leverage through impact!!

The #3 pp has two locations. One at the knuckle , on the top of the shaft , typically a swingers location for Loading as per 10-19-C Drag Loading. Here for the Right Forearm to act in a supporting role it must be in line with the loading of the Knuckle along the Top of the Shaft ie directly under the Top of the shaft at End. Vice versa for the Hitter who loads the First Joint in the Right Index Finger, the AFt of the Shaft and 10-19-A Drives Loads. Here the Right Forearm will be directly opposite or inline with the Loading of the Aft of the Shaft at Top.

So you can see that if you are in the process of loading one or the other Pressure Point you'd best have your elbow positioned accordingly during the Backstroke. The elbow position is not merely a result of stopping at Top or End, its a geometric alignment in support of the loading action, what ever it may be.

Given the same Plane Line for both procedures you have two different Right Elbow Positions. One inline with the Top of the Shaft , one inline with the Aft. Both having corresponding #3pp locations and ideally a "c" shaped index finger ala Hogan's right hand grip. You need your knuckle on the top , your first joint on the aft. Especially if you Drag then Drive.

In the Royal and Ancient Golf Clubs museum at St Andrews they have bronze casts of the grips of Open winners past .............every one of them had this alignment to their right index finger.

Hogan even aligned his knuckle and first joint in a similar fashion, when tee'n up a ball! Coincidence?

Its weird how when you learn about the alignments you start seeing them everywhere. Or maybe Im crazy.



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http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=128157826 7

[dkerby]

O.B. LEFT, Thanks for the picture of Hongan Grip.
Note the string embedded in the Grip. I tried to
get this done on my grips but many said that it could
not be done.I suggested to several grip manufactures, that
the string grip might be a good new item to offer. No interest. The picture seems to be made during waggle
rather than address or impact?

[DOCW3]

In the teaching, the right elbow and forearm are "re-positioned" when moving from Top to End as the Wrist is Turned. 7-3 explains the different alignments. Is the change also required/necessary to maintain the alignment of the Power Package basic structure and the integrity of The Flying Wedges?

Ref: 6-B-3-0-1

In the Free Gallery--LBG Videos---PP3 Where Are You-- Yoda teaches that #3 pressure point for the Hitter is behind the shaft at the Top but the Swinger in continuing to End has it on top of the shaft. He also discusses elbow position.

What happens to accomplish this change?

Ref: 7-3 STROKES--BASIC , second paragraph