6-B-2-0 Velocity Power

[HungryBear]

Homer provided a listing of power sources for #2 accumulator application/actuation in 6-B-2-0.

BUT

Outside of the limited discussion on cf throwout for #2 actuation the application of 6-B-2-0 appears to be limited.

I am convinced that Homer's application of #2 accumulator as a power source is something I would like to adapt.
I realize the potential for disrupting rhythm is a consideration.

Has anyone adapted the actuators available in 6-B-2-0?
What is the feel?
How did it effect alignments?
Do you, who are instructors, teach it to your students?


The Bear

[O.B.Left]

Read 10-20....the Release Triggers. It relates to the actuation question.

Ive heard that Homer was quite excited when he happened upon the Triggers. If memory serves it was one his last discoveries and something he was particularly intrigued with. He left open the possibility of x classifications or as yet un defined triggers. He was, I believe "on the look out" for them.

If you get past more than a few lessons with Lynn Blake you'll get a taste of what they're like and a demonstration. The vertical hammering video is I believe a Non Automatic version of a 10-20-E (left) WRIST THROW.

Now with Extensor Action and given the Magic of the Right Forearm is it really the right elbow that is actuating the #2 Angle, uncocking? I dunno. Lynn said it was "called a throw and it is a throw". So maybe that all it is. The non auto version being pure CF throwout, law of the flail type stuff.

This is really interesting stuff, where the rubber meets the road in a persons swing. Hogans three right hands for instance. The top and the aft of the shaft, dragging vs driving , one or the other, one before the other , but not both at the same time etc .

Most teachers Id say teach one Trigger. Either out of preference or ignorance to be frank. Not Lynn Blake, he knows ' em all, intimately.

I heard a teacher recently a former A.I. who is a little "out there".......say that Tiger was an Arm Swinger and that ARm Swingers shouldnt get lessons from teachers who tend towards Body Swinging (CF) he mentioned Hank as being one. I dont know how he defines those terms but Hank taught a non auto, (active) throwing of the Right Hand, active right hand uncocking. Now there's a Trigger that Homer would not have subscribed to. You cant uncock something that shouldnt cock in the first place. Which is probably something Tiger is giving some thought to right now I'd imagine. An actuator change.

[BerntR]

The things you know about TGM OB Left. I'm impressed.

I can't say how much I appreciate that you share your inside info with the rest of us.

[O.B.Left]

Nah , Im just hoping Im right about it. Waiting for someone to correct me. Please.

[Daryl]

Now with Extensor Action and given the Magic of the Right Forearm is it really the right elbow that is actuating the #2 Angle, uncocking? I dunno. Lynn said it was "called a throw and it is a throw". So maybe that all it is. The non auto version being pure CF throwout, law of the flail type stuff.

Tape a sheet of paper to a plane board. With a pencil attached to the Right Shoulder, hands and Clubhead, start your downswing with the pivot. The shoulder pencil, hands and clubhead will draw concentric lines. Do it again, but move your hands during startdown (Hand Throw) and you'll see the clubhead travel outside the original line. When that happens, CF will pull the Clubhead. But also notice that the Left Arm Pulled the Right Arm Straight and didn't allow the Right Elbow to Stifle CF acting on the Clubhead.

With the Wrist Throw (Hammer On-Plane), the Left Arm Blasts off the Chest and the Right Arm must be accommodating otherwise it will stifle CF. This Throw is Fast and violent compared to the Hand Throw. CF can't wait for the Right Forearm to catch up. The Right Wrist needs to be Thrown. The Right Forearm Driven.

Anyway, that's how I think of it.

10-19-C....Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Points #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft – especially for Short Shot Power.

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[O.B.Left]

Tape a sheet of paper to a plane board. With a pencil attached to the Right Shoulder, hands and Clubhead, start your downswing with the pivot. The shoulder pencil, hands and clubhead will draw concentric lines. Do it again, but move your hands during startdown (Hand Throw) and you'll see the clubhead travel outside the original line. When that happens, CF will pull the Clubhead.

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10-19-C....Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Points #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft – especially for Short Shot Power.

Thats very interesting.

But your "outside" is a wider arc inscribed on the Inclined Plane given earlier release, from a caddie view .......whereas 10-19-C's "outside" is the clubhead moving outside of the Hands from a DTL point of view , the left wrist coming off th.e inclined plane, setting in motion CF throwout, Radial acceleration.

Can CF uncock the left wrist whilst the left hand is still turned to plane? I'd say yes .......but only once the Hands cease traveling in a straight line. No longer creating a rope pull, Longitudinal Acceleration, arrow from quiver thing. Think about it, pulling a rope straight line .....can only be done with the Hands travelling in a staight line. Once the hands take a corner , the rope will not follow straight line. Sorta like a water skier when the boat makes a hard corner.

I dunno. I barely passed physics myself. Bernt'll know.

[O.B.Left]

With the Wrist Throw (Hammer On-Plane), the Left Arm Blasts off the Chest and the Right Arm must be accommodating otherwise it will stifle CF. This Throw is Fast and violent compared to the Hand Throw. CF can't wait for the Right Forearm to catch up. The Right Wrist needs to be Thrown. The Right Forearm Driven.


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Not sure what you mean by the "Right arm must be accomodating otherwise it will stifle cf".

A (left) Wrist Throw is a Swingers thing, normally. In which case the Right Elbow straightens "passively" as the Left Arm moves away from the Shoulders, #4 Angle. Hitting , typically a Right ARm Throw, sees the Right Elbow straighten "actively". In both cases Homer said the right arm was always Driven .....but they are not the same, Hitting is like a side armed throwing motion, whereas Swinging the right arm motion is the same , often, but the right arm is not doing it, its not a right arm throwing motion. The right arm just sort of pays out.

In regard to Throwing the Right Wrist....how can you Throw, Trigger the Release of something that is not cocked? Cocked not to be confused with Right Hand bending. Vertical hand motion not Horizontal.

OMG (Oh my grandmother) you're not talking about firing the right wrist bend like your buddies on that other site are you? What module are you on? By the way you know that Homer actually does make reference to the ability to fire the right wrist bend .......and therefore an unbending of the flat left wrist........with impunity......see right arm swinging. And you said you hated the elbow plane!

[BerntR]

First of all, I think this is a big and difficult topic and I'm eagerly looking forward to how it develops. How we time the release, yet continue as if the ball just gets in the way is somehow of a mistery to me.

I don't believe in linear hand path or linear clubhead path, for that sake. I think Homer's endless belt has merits as long as the straight parts of the belt only has a bigger radius than the curved parts. But I don't believe in 100% straight. One thing is that I can't do anything golflike and straight with my right hand without bending the elbow, which is like cheating. Another thing is that the hands will get in the way of the throwout if the speed buildup starts as a straight line.

If you started on a linear path and then turned the corner to allow cf to do it's thing, your hands would get in the way of the club on it's straight path. But as long as you move the club head in a circle, CF will pull it straight away from the swing center. Not in the direction the clubhead is going, but with a 90 degree angle to the clubhead travel.

Rope pulling and curved lines is not a problem. Just attach a weight to a string and do the "David Leadbetter" centrifugal force demo and you'll see. You can spin the weight forever by simply pulling the rope, just as long as you move the pull end of the rope in circles. And you can build a lot of speed that way. But you can't increase the speed forever.

As long as the spinner (your hand) can beat CF of the weight and stay ahead with a few degrees on it's circular travel, the speed will increase. But sooner or later the weight will catch up with the spinner and you're not able to build any more speed.

When you do this "demo" you will typically start by moving your hand (the spinner) in a big circle, and as the speed build up you will be forced to reduce the radius of the hand's circle if you want to stay ahead as long as possible.

Somehow I believe this is quite similar to what happens when you speed up the club head towards impact. Big radius first ( on the inside of the swing), then a smaller hands "pulley" and then the whole thing collapses (hopefully after the ball is gone).

The timing of the release must have something to do with the timing of the overtaking. And I believe pulley size manipulation and a gradual increase in the pulling & torquing forces until you're not able to increase it anymore are some of the most important means in timing the release.

The throw - basically any throw - is typically a motion that starts with a big radius and ends with a small radius. Towel snapping and whip cracking comes to mind. And golf.

[Daryl]

Not sure what you mean by the "Right arm must be accomodating otherwise it will stifle cf".

A (left) Wrist Throw is a Swingers thing, normally. In which case the Right Elbow straightens "passively" as the Left Arm moves away from the Shoulders, #4 Angle. Hitting , typically a Right ARm Throw, sees the Right Elbow straighten "actively". In both cases Homer said the right arm was always Driven .....but they are not the same, Hitting is like a side armed throwing motion, whereas Swinging the right arm motion is the same , often, but the right arm is not doing it, its not a right arm throwing motion. The right arm just sort of pays out.

In regard to Throwing the Right Wrist....how can you Throw, Trigger the Release of something that is not cocked? Cocked not to be confused with Right Hand bending. Vertical hand motion not Horizontal.

OMG (Oh my grandmother) you're not talking about firing the right wrist bend like your buddies on that other site are you? What module are you on? By the way you know that Homer actually does make reference to the ability to fire the right wrist bend .......and therefore an unbending of the flat left wrist........with impunity......see right arm swinging. And you said you hated the elbow plane!

"...how can you Throw, Trigger the Release of something that is not cocked?" The Right Elbow is bent (Cocked)


Try Uncocking the Left Wrist On-Plane without Straightening the Right Arm. You will Stifle CF Action.

Throw a baseball. The Right Arm is bent throughout most of the right arm travel but it straightens at release. That is "Driving" the Right Forearm. If you didn't "Drive" it, it wouldn't straighten.

"Passive" only because it lacks Triceps Muscle. The Right Forearm for Swingers is "Driven". "Driven" is not "Passive".

Whoa. The Wrist Throw (Hammer On-Plane) looks easy with a Left Arm only demonstration. It's not. It's very difficult. The Right Forearm Alignment, Pitched, is critical as well as every other alignment including the Hands passing the Line-of-sight to the Ball before Release. And I mean Way Passed.

When I read of other Golfers saying how they "Hammer On Plane" I wonder if they really do. I mean, my hands are over my Left Foot when I release the Club. It took me years to do that. When I swing a Wedge, I can see my Clubshaft over the Ball. The Shaft is half passed the Ball when it's released. In other word, when I see that I'm running out of shaft, then I know it's time to release the Club and It "Hammers" "On-Plane". Otherwise, anybody can Hammer, and anybody can Hammer On-Plane, but few can Hammer On-Plane and have Impact Alignments.

[O.B.Left]

You're Snap Release then. Im more Random Sweep. Perhaps there's different feels. When Lynn showed me the Non Auto Left Wrist Throw it really added some zip to the ball. You'd think it would be an earlier Release given the "active" hammering but weirdly on film , it isnt. I personally found it to be of great benefit to Impact Alignments because , as Lynn says ........its a purely vertical Hand Motion which makes the introduction of horizontal Hand Motion (left hand bending say) very unlikely.

But for you being Snap already .........CF and Automatic would make a ton of sense, but I have to ask given the "right elbow stifeling" thing: Have you ever tried a little "active" right arm down at the bottom? Four Barrel , Non Auto Right Arm Throw, Snap Release? Did it feel like you had "three right hands?"

I Drag then Drive quite often , but I dont get near Snap when Im doing it. The Right Arm Throw if its pushing at the aft of the shaft pushes the clubhead outside the hands (from DTL) and Im into release. But , if we were to talk about the same deal but with a pushing on the top of the shaft , uncocking the left wrist but on plane......now there's an X Classification Release Trigger for you. Would that one feel like "three right hands"? Who knows, maybe.

I have a feeling Bucket goofs with Non Auto Release Triggers ........he said something once about how he was so Snap that he couldnt leave it to CF alone or something. Where the heck is he anyways?

Lets get him in here. Maybe this'll get his attention.....

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