flat vs steep BS shoulder turn?

[ColtsFan]

On the BS why is it more advantageous (per Alignment Golf video)to make a flat shoulder turn vs a steeper turn like you see in S&T, Foley etc?

just curious...

thanks

[gmbtempe]

On the BS why is it more advantageous (per Alignment Golf video)to make a flat shoulder turn vs a steeper turn like you see in S&T, Foley etc?

just curious...

thanks

Its a question I have. Isn't it easier to have a centered head with a rotated shoulder? If you use a flat backswing and tend to go "under" it would you be better off with a rotated?

What constitutes flat, are the attached flat or steep, is one flat and one steep?

[ColtsFan]

Toms looks flattish and Glover(?)looks a little more rotated/ steeper. I did find this from OBleft on the subject....

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...+shoulder+turn

[O.B.Left]

Awesome questions guys.

Keep in mind that Rotated can locate a TSP Angle. But generally speaking a steeper turn of the Right Shoulder would, assuming zero shift, require a corresponding unusually high Elbow Plane.........Im using the definition of Elbow Plane as any plane you can get your Right Elbow or Forearm on here as opposed to what Homer sometimes termed the "true" Elbow Plane.

So, if my thinking is correct (which is often a big consideration), assuming zero shift, a Lower TSP angle, one that better matches up with a more common Impact Plane Angle or Elbow Plane would be better no? Match your TSP to your desired impact Plane Angle rather than vice versa assuming zero shift. Or in the case of a shift down to a lower plane for impact, require a more minimal shift to get to that Elbow Plane. Minimal being better theoretically speaking despite the big shifting Jim Furyks of the world.

All of this getting us into the Standard Shoulder Turn world........"flat back and then down plane" with the Right Shoulder.

Thats my take on it anyways. Lynn just puts a long dowel beside his right side representing his desired Plane Angle (zero shift) and then takes his Right Shoulder back to it or as close to it as he can anyways (requiring a shift). Its "flat" but its not necessarily flat to the ground and the associated TSP angle he gets his Hands and Right Shoulder on isnt really all that "flat" looking to the eye.

I dunno. Im calling in a life line.........breaker, breaker Lynn Blake, good buddy come on?

[gmbtempe]

Keep in mind that Rotated can locate a TSP Angle

What "locates" the TSP, is it the hands, the tip of the right shoulder?

zero shift require a corresponding high Elbow Plane

So one locates the TSP off the rotated shoulder plane, zero shifts, how can they get down to a plane lower than the TSP at impact without shifting? Trouble visualizing this.

Match your TSP to your desired impact Plane Angle rather than vice versa

What is the procedure for this, again it makes sense but I just take the club to the top and turn, how does one complete a desired TSP to impact?

Or in the case of a shift down to a lower plane for impact, require a more minimal shift to get to that Elbow Plane. Minimal being better theoretically speaking despite the big shifting Jim Furyks of the world.

Does this mean if you are going to use an elbow plane impact ideally you are as close to a elbow plane backswing, flatter that is, like Hogan?

Thanks just trying to understand. I swing flat back and under the plane on the downswing so I am constantly in search of something to fix this.

[ColtsFan]

digesting....so if the BS shoulder turn were to be steeper/rotated it would require that you come back down that same steeper TSP? Maybe that would invite more of a round house/ OTT move?

Lets see if Yoda's in the house

[ColtsFan]

Thanks just trying to understand. I swing flat back and under the plane on the downswing so I am constantly in search of something to fix this.

I think if you are swinging on the TSP vs elbow plane, with a zero shift (still shifting from elbow to TSP but its a small shift) you dont have to worry about shifting back down to the elbow plane. Think of Phil or Jack, if you look at where the shaft is half way down, its disecting their upper arm, its not lined up to the rt forearm like Hogan, Sergio,Trevino (DTL view)

but I digress...still trying to figure out the flat vs rotaed shoulder turn, and our friend OB is doing his best to help see the benefit of ...thanks OB!

Where's Kevin? I think he has been moving to more of steeper shoulder turn BS w/ good results

[KevCarter]

I think if you are swinging on the TSP vs elbow plane, with a zero shift (still shifting from elbow to TSP but its a small shift) you dont have to worry about shifting back down to the elbow plane. Think of Phil or Jack, if you look at where the shaft is half way down, its disecting their upper arm, its not lined up to the rt forearm like Hogan, Sergio,Trevino (DTL view)

but I digress...still trying to figure out the flat vs rotaed shoulder turn, and our friend OB is doing his best to help see the benefit of ...thanks OB!

Where's Kevin? I think he has been moving to more of steeper shoulder turn BS w/ good results

I'm watching and listening...

I have been moving to a "feel" of a rotated shoulder turn as my shoulders were staying too level for my set up. I stoop a lot more than Lynn. I'm trying to fix that as well, but it's a process. I think the more you are bent over from the waist, the steeper the shoulder turn will look...

I would like to hear from the boss if that is following the proper path...

Kevin

[airair]

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=sequencing 1-8

[ColtsFan]

I'm watching and listening...

I have been moving to a "feel" of a rotated shoulder turn as my shoulders were staying too level for my set up. I stoop a lot more than Lynn. I'm trying to fix that as well, but it's a process. I think the more you are bent over from the waist, the steeper the shoulder turn will look...

I would like to hear from the boss if that is following the proper path...

Kevin

thanks for chiming in Kev. Could definately see how bending over more would give you the look of a steeper turn. I need to go back and check the AG dvd to see what Lynn says about about posture. Brian G, and Jeff seem to stand pretty tall to the ball, thus giving a flatter "look"