The clueless guy we all know handing out free tips

[12 piece bucket]

I hadn't had the chance to beat any balls lately. So I headed up to the local range. I'm always having interesting discussions with the guy that owns the joint. He's a great guy. Basically full of crap and has a theory/opinion on everything under the sun from politics to grub to golf.

Everytime I go there he sees the need to give me a "lesson." Typically I just play the interested fool and let him do his thing.

Well I start hitting some shots with my right hand only working on the RFFW. He comes over and says, "What the hell are you doing?" I didn't want to get into the whole "well there's this yellow book thing." So I'm just like "uh heck if I know."

He starts his stuff and it gets pretty interesting. He starts in "Man you gotta forget about that clubhead. If your hands are in the right place the club has to be right. You look like your trying to punch the ball (which I was). You gotta just pretend that the club is wacked off at the grip. Then you just use that grip like a magic marker. Draw that line! You gotta let those forarms rolling man. That's how the pro's do it. You gotta get that snap in there."

Then he starts hitting his same old balloon cut. Can't hit it a lick but he was sure on to some things today. A little Tracing, Snap Release, No. 3 Pressure Point, No. 3 Accumulator, Straight Plane Line etc. He was on the right track. But then he demonstrated the most prefect example of Throwaway you've ever seen.

Oh well.

[jim_0068]

Teach him some clubface control and i bet he hits a small draw and 30 yards further

[birdie_man]

O crap I hate that man. It's hard to gracefully tell those people you don't want any help eh? Good god...the worst is when they stand behind you and try to make sure you're doing it their way.

I just always say that I tried that before and it didn't work for me personally or w/e...or I say that I heard exactly the opposite to whatever they're saying and say I'm working on that...then they hopefully get discouraged and walk away...then hopfully take a long walk off a short dock, get lost, take a hike, go play in traffic, etc. etc.

Or maybe you could try to explain to him some TGM...start rambling about accumulators and maximum trigger delay and he'll prolly tune out and lose interest! :P Fool!

"Anyway, thanks for your help! *mumbles*...come again when you can't stay so long, you...(insert desired insult here)."

[mgjordan]

"Use the grip as a magic marker"

I LIKE IT!!!

[Thom]

Yeah don't you just love theese guys on the range that start giving you advice after you've hit a couple of balls.
This winter an old guy started telling me about not using my wrists enough. I asked him if he new the golfing machine and told him that I was working on a hitting procedure. He told me I got it all wrong and that he played on the national team once.........
Then he started hitting balls, finishing every backswing by hitting himself on the back ....he sure got some wrist action himself

[Theodan]

"I resemble those remarks". The guy next to me at the range has a mixed set of beatup knockoff clubs. His setup is incredibly close to IF. Left grip in his fingers, right grip through the trigger finger up through the palm fissure. He takes the club to the turned shoulder, as he turns his wrists. Drives right down at the ball and rolls. Ball takes off at 160 mph for 100 yds, then turns hard left or right for another 100+ yds..... 90 out of 100 balls.

In relative terms of time, I've been an LBG/TGMer for a cup of coffee. He quit golf 2 instructors and 3 years ago. No way I'm walkin' away from that without speaking up.

I think it's an age thing.

Charlie

[birdie_man]

Oh ya...if some1 knows what they're talking about and they give me a few tips then that's just fine.

But then there's those guys who watched Academy Live last night and want to tell me how it's done (for the next hour, lol ).

Oh ya, I give people tips sometimes too Theodan (sometimes it's just too bad to watch any longer! ) but I'll leave 'em alone if they don't seem interested. Not everyone wants to hear about the Golfing Machine...if they only knew tho eh...

I like talking to beginners because they don't know anything so they usually appreciate the help.

[Theodan]

I couldn't stand it. He had so much right, except those (over) turning and rolling wrists. He was in a continual state of swivel. If his timing wasn't perfect.............

Charlie

[12 piece bucket]

I couldn't stand it. He had so much right, except those (over) turning and rolling wrists. He was in a continual state of swivel. If his timing wasn't perfect.............

Charlie

Charlie,

How did you remedy this "continual state or swivel?" Would definitely be interested to know.

Thanks man!

Richard

[Theodan]

Originally Posted by Theodan

I couldn't stand it. He had so much right, except those (over) turning and rolling wrists. He was in a continual state of swivel. If his timing wasn't perfect............. Charlie

Charlie,

How did you remedy this "continual state or swivel?" Would definitely be interested to know.

Thanks man!

Richard

Richard..... I'm 90% excitement for LBGolf and but just 10% knowledge. So I go very carefully.... just plant a seed or two and move on. He had forearms and hands the size of Arnold Palmer's. And about 75% of his shots were hooks. So I chance it and assume he's rightsided, probably Hitting, but the Hinge is totally warped into some Horizontal variation.

Essentially, I whipped out "Yoda's Secret". It's a great "hook" because you can convey three things at once. I stand over the ball with my left hand in my pants pocket, take the right handed grip on my SW, then slide the tip of the right trigger finger up the aft side of the shaft. Click a pitch about 30 yards. "Betcha' can't do that".

He did what everybody does and sculls a few because he's pushing with the index finger. I explain you never unbend the right wrist by throwing your fingers, you drive with your (PP1) palm base, and you can just take the club back and through without all that wrist action. The way you do that is just point that index finger at the imaginary line (Plane Line). When you put your index finger back normal on the club, use the base pad (PP3) to trace. Just let the club lay back into it.

I told him thats what goes on below the waist. From there he'd have to check LBG. He hit 4 twohanded wedges, 2 of them were crap, 2 flew fine.

I have it in the back of my mind he crossed with a leftsided swinger instructor with the rotating forearms. So who knows. That's the quickest I could do without being an annoying range rat.

Charlie