Swingers right shoulder and Accumulator 4

[golfbulldog]

What do people think of the movement of the right shouler - with particular reference to the initiation of accumulator 4 release.

What feels do you think players might get if they were to stop making an "over the top" motion and make a more Hogan/conventional on plane motion?

I have my own thoughts about what this shows and the feelings that I get when I attempt to do this... but interested in your thoughts.

Thanks

References
I edited this clip from clips already on the internet. Hope nobody minds... The initial clip is from Shell Wrld of Golf ( I think) and the animation is apparently based on Hogan swing from work done by another AI (Greg McHatton (same AI class as Yoda i think!) and a university department - I think).

[Daryl]

What do people think of the movement of the right shouler - with particular reference to the initiation of accumulator 4 release.

What feels do you think players might get if they were to stop making an "over the top" motion and make a more Hogan/conventional on plane motion?

I have my own thoughts about what this shows and the feelings that I get when I attempt to do this... but interested in your thoughts.

Thanks

References
I edited this clip from clips already on the internet. Hope nobody minds... The initial clip is from Shell Wrld of Golf ( I think) and the animation is apparently based on Hogan swing from work done by another AI (Greg McHatton (same AI class as Yoda i think!) and a university department - I think).

Who created the Model? Hogan appears to have more Right Arm Bend at Impact than the Model.

Hogan has a Straight Line Delivery Path. One feeling might be that You're hitting to Right Field.

[12 piece bucket]

Who created the Model? Hogan appears to have more Right Arm Bend at Impact than the Model.

Hogan has a Straight Line Delivery Path. One feeling might be that You're hitting to Right Field.

I don't know boss . . . . there's not much right field in Hogan's motion . . . his hands work back up and in as fast as anybody that has ever played the game.

[12 piece bucket]

What do people think of the movement of the right shouler - with particular reference to the initiation of accumulator 4 release.

What feels do you think players might get if they were to stop making an "over the top" motion and make a more Hogan/conventional on plane motion?

I have my own thoughts about what this shows and the feelings that I get when I attempt to do this... but interested in your thoughts.

Thanks

References


I edited this clip from clips already on the internet. Hope nobody minds... The initial clip is from Shell Wrld of Golf ( I think) and the animation is apparently based on Hogan swing from work done by another AI (Greg McHatton (same AI class as Yoda i think!) and a university department - I think).

It has to do with HOW you release #4 . . . Hogan releases #4 more down his chest vertically than "out" . . . that's one of the main reasons that his arms look so connected to his body and why his handle stays low through the ball.

[Weightshift]

What do people think of the movement of the right shoulder - with particular reference to the initiation of accumulator 4 release.

At what point in his swing do you think 4 is being released?

I would say that 4 is not being used if he mimics "the old two-hand basket ball pass" (p.98 of Five Lessons, 1957)

[12 piece bucket]

At what point in his swing do you think 4 is being released?

I would say that 4 is not being used if he mimics "the old two-hand basket ball pass" (p.98 of Five Lessons, 1957)

There's no question that it is being released or the club would go right over the ball . . . the question is in what fashion is it being released . . .

Test drive it . . . look at somebody like Nicklaus or Hoch vs. Sergio or Hogan . . . for your hands to work that close to your body #4 has to work different.

For the club to get around and the handle to stay low the left arm has to work different . . . watch how much lower the club "exits" for Hogan vs. Jack . . . Jack's club and hands come up thru between his neck and ear . . . Hogan's are below his shoulder . . .

To get there you gotta move a lot of stuff different . . .

[mrodock]

To get there you gotta move a lot of stuff different . . .

-more pivot rotation, less lateral movement
-shoulders working more level, not as tilted through impact
-arms staying connected to the torso into impact and thereafter
-more right arm bend at impact, and later right arm straightening
-head remaining relatively in position in the downswing, that is, it doesn't move left (targetward) in the beginning of the downswing, and then back up as you get close to impact

[Daryl]

At what point in his swing do you think 4 is being released?

I would say that 4 is not being used if he mimics "the old two-hand basket ball pass" (p.98 of Five Lessons, 1957)

The Basketball analogy is used to emphasize only to feel like you're using both Hands through Impact.

The #4 Accumulator gets activated as soon as the Right Elbow begins to straighten.

"And the position of the Club at The Finish (Station 3 12-3) is the precision destination of the Downstroke “blast off” from the Top. It is not just Impact “fall out”. Impact must be kept incidental to The Stations."

Lets re-write that in dummy language:
The position of the club at the finish is a precision destination, and is the result of Understanding and Preparing to continue Plane Line Tracing of the #3 Pressure Point through to Low Point and beyond. This precision destination is planned from the Top by preparing to Blast the Left arm off the Chest at impact so that the Left Arm and Hands continue down Plane to Low Point while the Left Shoulder simultaneously continues to move back and up. That's one reason why the Right Elbow needs to remain bent at Impact in order to allow the Level and Bent Right Wrist to continue Downplane and Straighten with the Blast Off.

During Release, the Right Arm begins to Straighten (Throw-Out) and thus moves the Left Arm (#4 Accumulator) back to approximate body center for impact, but they should not remain low around the body after impact because they will be pulled off plane by the Shoulder Turn. The Gyroscopic effect of CF wants them to stay On Plane but is hard for people not to try to steer the Club. Bending the Plane Line after Impact has disastrous consequences just like Bending the Plane Line before Impact.

The Left Arm needs to Blast off the chest so that the Club continues On Plane and Down Plane. The Blast Off (Vertical Motion) Shows you how much open your shoulders should be at Impact so that the Thrust is On Plane. If the are too Closed, Then the Thrust will be to the Right of the Plane Line and If Too Open, to the Left.

Furthermore, if your Blastoff is On Plane, then your Club will continue on plane to the finish and finish behind you On Plane and not be Horizontal to the Ground like most Golfers, unless something else interrupts that too.

[Weightshift]

There's no question that it is being released or the club would go right over the ball ..

How much of the left arm has to be in contact with the torso for pp4 to be unreleased?

[Daryl]

-more pivot rotation, less lateral movement
-shoulders working more level, not as tilted through impact
-arms staying connected to the torso into impact and thereafter
-more right arm bend at impact, and later right arm straightening
-head remaining relatively in position in the downswing, that is, it doesn't move left (targetward) in the beginning of the downswing, and then back up as you get close to impact

Hmm? you better drop some bread crumbs so you can find your way back.