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"That always produces an automatic and unintentional shift from a flat first plane to a steeper plane at the top. That could lock a player into a pivot controlled hands procedure unless carefully realigned during the interval at the top. Then it can again be the Golfing Machine hands controlled pivot procedure."

I find if using a shoulder turn takeaway I have to really fire the hip turn to make consistent contact. Could this be why?

I dont know mb, but I can elaborate a little on Mr Kelley's remarks given some earlier posts on the subject. Maybe it will help you, maybe not.

Basically, to employ a Shoulder Turn Takeaway (Pivot to Hands by definition) is to allow the Shoulders to take the Hands back in the direction that they the Shoulders are traveling. Always under the Inclined Plane (because the Shoulders dont travel the Plane). This is always a flat initial plane angle (most likely an Elbow Plane) to begin with and necessitating a Plane Shift, upwards, to get the club to Top. Homer felt Plane Shifts, while not inferior mechanically where hazardous in terms of consistency. So far the count on Plane Shifts, given a Shoulder Turn Takeaway stands at ONE.

From Top, IF the Golfer has been lucky enough to land on or locate a Turned Shoulder Plane Angle he may revert to an Alignment Golf Hands to Pivot methodology and use an On Plane Shoulder Turn in Startdown to take the Hands (which are now directing things via pressure points to brain dialogue, towards the plane line) Down Plane.

The more likely situation (especially back in the day of the sky high backswing) is that the golfer locates a Plane Angle above a Turned Shoulder Plane at Top. Which for a TGM type Hands controlled Pivot Startdown procedure would require him to drop his Hands and Plane Angle to a TSP angle prior to a Hands directed On Plane Shoulder Turn move of the Right Shoulder towards the Plane Line in Startdown. Or, the far more common, shift down to an even lower Elbow Plane for further a continuation of the Pivot to Hands procedure. Either way the Plane shift count is now Two. Double Shift.

If you are the type of player that drops back to an Elbow Plane in the downswing then Id imagine that it would feel very rotational to you after you got down there. I does for me anyways, when I goof with that Double Shift. Maybe thats what you are feeling in regards to the Hip Turn?

Homer said that Pivot to Hands and the Elbow Plane were very compatible....... but he had an obvious preference for Hands to Pivot to say nothing of a RIGHT FOREARM TAKEAWAY which would have the Hands and Shoulders traveling different paths with the Hands on the Inclined Plane and directing things, Tracing from the beginning. The Pivot enabling, complying with the Hands controlled Pivot and On Plane procedure.