Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 94439)

Their movement is 3-d and not planar, and the path depends on swing plane and plane shifts. You could roughly describe the path as a bent fishhook shape, but realize that the straight line part of the paths shown in the book are ideal and not real.

You shouldn't be monitoring the hand path, but instead trace the plane line with PP#3 and have a flat, level left wrist at impact, which, when transported with the pivot, will determine the handpath.

The only way you could come close to a hand path lying on the swing plane would be a left hand grip with the handle running through the life line and the left arm perfectly in line with the shaft at address(zero #3 PA). But even then the shaft lies below the sweetspot plane.

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 94451)

OK now I follow you-
Ypu are thinking 7-23 paragraph #3. I have been thinling release to followthrough.

Yes I do have a 7-23 "plane shift" tsp down to elbow for swinging but I also have a flat plane release to followthrough. HK explains that.

I don't do "sweet spot plane" because, as I have argued before, I just ain't what it is said to be.

Gota get on the same page.

HB

Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 94453)

I'm talking Throwout to Follow Through, with or without plane shifts. But, yes the elbow plane has an even more "non-planar" hand path than the TSP.

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 94452)

The path of the hands is does not lie in the Sweetspot Plane through impact. Note here at :11 thru :14 - the hands are on the TSP Sweetspot plane till Throwout(delivery) starts, where they move under the Sweetspot plane while arcing upward and inward. Look at the angle between the left arm and shaft at impact at :13. The left arm is tracing a bent line on the ground inside the plane line. You are confusing plane line tracing using the imaginary line between PP#3 and the sweetspot, with the hands moving in the Sweetspot Plane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08rpqW2Z9Vw

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 94452)

The path of the hands is does not lie in the Sweetspot Plane through impact. Note here at :11 thru :14 - the hands are on the TSP Sweetspot plane till Throwout(delivery) starts, where they move under the Sweetspot plane while arcing upward and inward. Look at the angle between the left arm and shaft at impact at :13. The left arm is tracing a bent line on the ground inside the plane line. You are confusing plane line tracing using the imaginary line between PP#3 and the sweetspot, with the hands moving in the Sweetspot Plane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08rpqW2Z9Vw

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 94454)

Nope, and if the plane is "3D" there is "off plane" throwaway.

If you care to list "off plane" forces, and how/why they are generated we could see what U believe to be correct.

Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 94456)

Not an acceptable camera placement for your arguement.

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 94459)

You can't be serious! :eyes:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94457)

OMG. You're completely lost. :laughing9

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94461)

I'm very serious. You've got a screw loose. We're done. Get back to me in 10 years. :laughing9