I get it!
 

I'm sorry for the rest of the people who have already gotten the difference between the Hand Positions and the correct Plane Angle of Approach, but I just got it! :laughing1 Hands to shoulder, TSP, steeper angle, feels like I'm covering the ball with my shoulder -very powerful! It's amazing how different the feelings between that TSP swing and the Elbow Plane swing!

Thanks Daryl!

ICT

From the Grandstand
 

I've read the many excellent posts on this thread and am happy to comment. Not sure where to jump in!

If you have a question you feel is unanswered -- or answered less than adequately -- please post, and I'll do my best to supply.

:hello:

One of the latest issues is whether or not the Hands are On Plane from Release to Follow through.

This discussion seems to center around the definition of "Plane". One of us seems to think that the "Plane" intersects the Left Shoulder and the Ball and therefore the Hands are "Off Plane" at Impact any time the Primary Lever is not in a straight line (no elbow bend, zero wrist cock, with the club shaft running up the arm kind of straight).

Although I've tried to help by offering Homer Kelley quotations and a beautifully written synopsis of the 3 major Planes and how they're aligned in the Golf Swing, I've been painfully unsuccessful.

Could you recommend a Doctor and Medical Clinic? For me. There's no hope for him. :laughing9

The problem, Lynn, is that I am slower than a lot of people in Geometry!
 

Lynn, this website is so awesome that their are a myriad of people who "get it" and can explain it. I happen to be slow at Geometry and abstract thinking and my very kind, funny math teacher in high school, Brother Armando, use to joke that if I understood a geometric concept, he had taught that concept really well! :)

Let me use a golfing example. I know what it means to "drag the mop" on plane. However, my feeling of it did not really, really click in until last night at about 9pm. Daryl the other day, in a conversation explained that as soon as I turned my right hip left I was turning left! LMAO! ( Now, I over analyze physical stuff because of my hip operations. I'm sure everyone else knows what Daryl explained to me and would never guess that I didn't know that but for me I think about the range of motion in my left hip and dozens of other thoughts and well I simply miss obvious stuff! :scratch: )

So I turn my right hip left and I felt my whole Power Package DRAG BEHIND ME LIKE A WET MOP ! OH YES I DID! And I felt in in my # 3 PP! There felt to be a two second delay but then it moved and my impact bag let out a "whumpf" deeper than ever before and flipped and rolled over down the driveway several times. :thumright

You explained the idea to me very well during our lessons but I lost the details because I was busy translating what you said into "ICT Hip Speak." I concentrated on your chipping and putting lessons which I knew I could do and man were they great and are great! I mean with my below average TGM alignments and your short game lessons I broke 80 or shot 80 eight times last year. :salut: But I could only appropriate so much esp going through a divorce, too, while taking your lessons. :eyes:

However, and I believe you understand this, I am blessed with a strong visual and kinetic memory and I can remember your stroke and demonstrations very clearly. You provided a visual template that I consult daily as I swing a stick/dowel/club into an impact bag and Look, Look, Look into a mirror or my car window. When I can generate the correct alignments and really hammer the ball, I am one of the happiest guys in the world and it leads me to investigate the next wobble and the process begins again.

The Forums are an international treasure. I really like searching them and reading the differing expressions and descriptions of the golf stroke. That exercise is a nice balance to the issues of the day.

I like ED-Z's quote "we have no enemies only teachers" quite a bit. LBG has given me tremendous friendships and true joy and I am thankful and driven to get it right! :read: :idea1:

ICT

Isn't that simple? The first move in Start-Down, Turn the Right Hip to the Left. Smooth. High Pivot Torque from Start to Finish, no jerky motion, no loss of connection between Shoulders and Hips. Feet and Knees respond. Weight Shift is gradual and natural.

BTW, nice post.

Nice job guys!!!

left or right
 

ICT,just for my benefit please,are you left or right handed.Thank you

BTW.....your last post......love it

Right handed Brownman and you are very kind like the rest of LBG! :yoda:

ICT

Some here think the hands are moving downward at Impact. What do you say?

In a TSP Swing, some believe that the hand path lies in the Sweetspot Plane from the onset of Throwout through Follow Through. Are they correct?

Thanks. :salut:

In the book Homer assumes the shaft or more correctly the LCOG (from #3pp to Sweetpot) to travel the inclined plane for plane compliance. But in the audio tapes he discusses a procedure where the Clubhead only travels the Inclined Plane. This latter procedure allows the Clubhead to travel up the Turned Shoulder Plane immediately in Startup . Making for a Clubhead only Inclined Plane of motion with no shift necessary and leaving the Hands beneath the Inclined Plane in Startup. (Not my cup of tea BTW and not what Lynn teaches his students). He also stated that the clubhead only plane of motion was a necessity for complying with the true Angle of Approach Procedure. "Its a clubhead only plane of motion" said Homer. "A Vertical Plane " , "well almost vertical".

But ...... this is probably of little use to anyone except those trying to fully understand the GEOMETRY of the true Angle of Approach PROCEDURE. So far historically , there are probably only a handful of people in that group. Maybe less. Maybe only one, Homer himself. Ted Fort has used the "true" Angle of Approach Procedure in professional tournament play.

BTW it could be argued that everything has an "angle of approach" ... the Right Forearm, the right hip, the right knee , the left testaclese assuming you have one ... Lets not confuse the true Delivery Line of the ClubHEAD Angle of Approach Procedure with any other components "angle of approach", Right Forearm or or or .....Molson Muscle (beer belly).


Short version , if you''re swinging and using a lot of turning and letting things free wheel , unmanipulated so to speak, you are probably planing the LCOG , Sweetspot Plane and thats what we should assume when discussing this the most common of golf procedures. With a Right Forearm angle of approach in mind or a left side Primary Lever Flail action or whatever.