But, as I read what U say, U are saying it take 2 wedges because the left is turning and rolling.

I do no necessarily agree with your arguement, I am just point it out.

This is neither a question or problem for me because I am comfortable with the dynamics as understood.

I will put forward another arguement- that the use of left hand alone tends to bend the plane by throwing the clubhead around the left hand , bending the plane to close the clubface and use of the right arm only tends to throw the clubhead out to right field because there is no checkrein.

HB

I think that the Right Forearm Wedge can be Active (Driving-forcing an alignment) or Passive (guiding).

I've swung the Club both ways with equal results. I've also swung the club with Left arm only and right arm only with near equal results. I think that the Club needs to stay On Plane during the impact interval.

This is true that shaft control is accomplished with the wedges. But it's crucially important that he be aware that the wedges are not moving downward at impact.

plane flex
 

HB,I do agree with you regarding the plane bend with the left alignment,IT HAS TO BEND ,but only in order to seek and satisfy acc#3 angle,if this plane bend -flex didnt occur,there would not be acc#3
It is satisfying radial alignments"clubface control"

As for the R/arm,imo opinion,it is forward and downplane to right arm straight using only forearm thrust with pp on base of hand,that one is the easy one...cheers:eyes:

Or you could also see it as a constantly shifting plane. Up Up Up on the backswing and then WAY DOWN , "vertical drop " so to speak going the other way. Furyk style .
This was a popular procedure back in Homers day the era of "sky high hands" and covering the Base Line with lots of "extension" in startup. I used to do this . Homer called it Steering , but so long as the golfers returns to the ball in a manner consistent with 3 Dimensional Impact Alignments the ball does not know the difference and so he himself would teach the Turning Shoulder Plane to those who for what he termed "psychological reasons" just couldnt stop swinging like that... it was after all very common back then . Normally with a reverse C finish and lots of knee drive. Homer wouldnt fight it for too long , he would just improve it (vertical drop I imagine being a common improvement) as he reasoned the "game is supposed to be fun". Now if you had a more ambitious student ... that might be a different story.

BTW Furyk's dad when teaching young Jim the game placed a wooden ruler behind the ball and encouraged him to cover it on the way back. Thereby taking him off the elbow or shaft plane immediately and shifting his plane angle up up up continuously . Its more complicated mechanically than is necessary but assuming you can ingrain consistency it is just as effective in terms of impact dynamics.

Some folks would point to Furyk and say " Where's your plane angle now , Homer!". But the geometry is still there if you know where to look.

Homer might not have been perfect but he was a bleepin genius IMO.

Genius looks different too at different times during the day!
 

We're speaking about on-plane practice. I'm sure if I had said different things to Kev Carter, Jerry G and of course, Lynn, I would've gotten differing responses as they all coached me up to various degrees over the years. I simply didn't know enough to ask the right questions early on about on-plane mechanics. :doh:

When I started asking better questions, Daryl's Right Fore Arm Angle of Approach gave me countless insights into how to consistently stay on plane using that bucket drill. Now, a lot of what you OB, and Daryl, and what Lynn showed me is actually obvious but I was missing the vocabulary to even stutter correctly. I couldn't even begin. :rolleyes:

I am going back to see Lynn and try to be a better student so I can get to become one of his junior instructors or something but "On Plane" is not negotiable as are flying wedges and other stuff.

As a classroom teacher, I always struggle with where to start kids in a lesson so all teachers everywhere, who care, always second-guess their lesson plans since none of us know what is really inside another person. Lynn knows so much about the golf swing! One minute he is teaching three PGA instructors how to really putt and chip for dough, and the next minute he is teaching me a basic grip and stance! He is amazing!:golfing_banana:

ICT

I agree with HB here, never use the left hand "alone " to manipulate a Flail Action or a Hinge ACtion for that matter . Hinge Action is defined by the Left Hands alignment to one of the three basic planes but its not done by the Left Hand!! The entire Primary Lever moves as a unit. Everybody gets this wrong at first, some never move on . Elk , some GSED's talk about full rolls , half rolls of the left hand etc but thats not quite right , close but not correct .

Flail Action isnt what it seems at first either!!! Its not loosy goosy rubber wristed kids stuff in any way. Although it appears to be very handsy, it isn't. No Sir.

TAke for instance , what Lynn calls Startup Swivel: It is actually powered by the momentum created from his Lagging Takeaway in his swing. So even there the left hand is not turning to plane on its own, or under its own power. You have options here of course , Single Wrist Action , Double . Lagging Takeaway , Carry Back. But since we have considered the left side Flail Action I thought Id throw this out.

I got hooked on holding off release , lynn taught me how to free wheel and release . If you're directionally challenged when learning the on plane flail action you havent learned how to release and maintain Rhythm or the alignments of the Primary Lever or the Left Arm Flying Wedge or or .. Dont be so quick to adopt a blocked release, learn the golfers Flail with alignments and structure. When you get it right you will love it.
It will be on plane on both sides of the ball! Swoosh. Swoosh. You can hear it as the face rolls over like Hogans little baseball bat . Swooosh. There's power there, Transfer Power. Unblocked Transfer Power if you will. Number 3 angle with its added clubhead Travel is powerful in its own right too. And thats how it feels .... feels i said. From top you must prepare to do this ... "Delivery LIne , ROLL prep".

Amen and moreover, if you threw away all of the book except for the 3 Imperatives and Flying Wedges, he would still be the top gun of golf theory. :king:

You better bring the three ESSENTIALS with you. They rank above the Imperatives in my book.

HB

I second this (except for the little baseball bat :p ). Instead of focusing on the left wrist roll, they should be talking about using the back muscles and lats to roll the wedges.