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annikan skywalker 02-28-2006 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ThinkingPlus
Those equations look mighty fine although strange to my eye. I have never seen them written out in English. I am so used to the Greek letters / mathematical forms, I had to re-read these several times to understand. :eek:

Sorry don't know how to type Greek....My keyboard is American English as my British friends always take a jab with their light saber.........


But they are legit and documented......Stragiht from a Graduate Level Textbook used here at the Universtiy that is taught by Dr. Brian Bergerman...who has a Ph.D in Biomechanics and is one of the world's leading experts in the ther track and field event of "pole vaulting".....

BTW ...Dr. Bergerman sat on the Dissertation Committee for Dr. Ralph Mann the "Father of Model Golf".....First Question Dr. B asks...'So what do you think of Ralph Mann's work?"....Well I would never use the "Mean" to come up with a Model...I would classify them into "modal classes"...For example hitters and swingers...Pure hitters and switters...Pure Swingers and Right Arm???? Not gonna say it!!!!=;

lagster 02-28-2006 12:49 PM

Push vs. Pull
 
We have talked about this before... but I heard this from a man that is very physics savy... Is the horse Pulling the wagon, or Pushing on the collar? You would have to ask the horse to know.

Technically... there may be little or no difference, but FEEL-wise there usually is.

EdZ 02-28-2006 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lagster
We have talked about this before... but I heard this from a man that is very physics savy... Is the horse Pulling the wagon, or Pushing on the collar? You would have to ask the horse to know.

Technically... there may be little or no difference, but FEEL-wise there usually is.

If the center of mass of the object to be moved is behind the force used, it is a pull.

If the center of mass of the object to be moved is in front of the force used, it is a push.

The horse is pulling because the center of mass (sweetspot or cart) is ALWAYS behind the force being used. That is what 'lag' is all about.

Pulling has directional advantages. Pushing has power advantages.

The golf swing is always technically a PULL, from a physics standpoint.

The difficulty is that the human machine uses a lever that extends from left hand to right hand such that the 'feel' will tend to be in one side or the other.

The clubHEAD is always being pulled.

The handle may be pulled, or be pushed, depending on which side of the lever, which side of the coin, the body uses.

ldeit 03-01-2006 12:28 PM

It could be viewed that the horse pushes against the harness and the ground.

ldeit

Burner 03-01-2006 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ldeit
It could be viewed that the horse pushes against the harness and the ground.ldeit

That is correct Lee and, in so doing, it creates the motive power that pulls the cart.

Whenever the motive power is in front of the object being moved it is pulling. If it in the rear, then it is pushing.

This principle applies no matter how that power is generated.

Good to meet you recently; hope you're keeping well.

EdZ 03-01-2006 10:41 PM

The key is where the center of mass of the object to be moved is located. The center of mass for a cart is not the horses harness nor her shoes ;)

The pressure points are always leading the clubheads center of mass downplane. Always leading the sweetspot.

tball88 03-02-2006 11:33 AM

If you are just utilizing the right tricep to add acceleration, as opposed to pushing with PP1, would this be an example of Right Arm Swinging, utilizing the right elbow as opposed to the left shoulder??

jim_0068 03-04-2006 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tball88
If you are just utilizing the right tricep to add acceleration, as opposed to pushing with PP1, would this be an example of Right Arm Swinging, utilizing the right elbow as opposed to the left shoulder??

No, because the left shoulder is still my low point.

It has more to do with "magic of the right forearm" in TGM.

6bmike 03-04-2006 01:46 AM

Don't mistake the drive to straighten the right elbow with right arm muscle power. It is a thin line, I know, but the right arm wants to be straight- it has since the take-away. Let it after low point and make it happy. It is acc2 and acc3 that is smacking the ball in a Swing Stroke.

jim_0068 03-05-2006 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 6bmike
Don't mistake the drive to straighten the right elbow with right arm muscle power. It is a thin line, I know, but the right arm wants to be straight- it has since the take-away. Let it after low point and make it happy. It is acc2 and acc3 that is smacking the ball in a Swing Stroke.

True, but if you add to that right arm straightening as i am suggesting you will create more speed if you mash the ball right. It is a valid way to create some more "umph."

I'm not saying it's the most accurate way to do things are something you should do 100% of the time, but it is a valid option even if most don't agree with it *cough* shoulder turn takeaway *cough* ;)


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