YOu got pics to compare those 3?

Can't upload pics from iPhone maybe someone else can get some pictures of those 3 up

I wanted to make this point because some of u out there in Tgm LANd are under the impression that if you don't have a snap release your throwing the club away and u also seem to be under the impression that all tour players snap as if he snap releae was the measuring stick for the golf swing. the truth is the majority of the greatest players on the planet tour players are using random sweep NOT snap why? Because they have to only hogan could handle the snap release with a full clean hinge I will name one since nobody else has, Phil mickelson the only truly great snap releaser other than hOgan

You just said below that Mickelson was a snapper, contradicting yourself in this post!!! :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1

Here in his first pro start, stopping the vid just at :57 shows his full wristcock .06 sec before impact, just as his hands reach the right thigh. This as as good as a snap release gets! Give it up whip, this is just like the "hands going down at impact" argument you were trying to make earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o_jSUs62mo

I agree in that Snap Release as commonly defined ... super late huge #2 angle ... seductive looking though it is , is not the only way. Watson , Nicklaus etc etc.
But Im still thinking there is more to the story of what Homer would regard as Snap. Perhaps based on the degree of Clubhead Release Arc vs hand travel to impact from the Release Point. OR LATER, closer to impact? That would be a measure of the mechanical advantage of the small pulley wheel , for sure. Producing a higher club head speed for a given hand speed. But.... as I look at the photos of almost everybody with high release arc angles , if you will, near impact , I also see some #2 angle being lost prior. In other words the Release Point is really earlier ... beside their body not in front of it.

I guess Whip your thesis depends on how you define Snap Release . Is the Release Point defined as the place where #2 begins to throw out? Where #4 Releases? You look at say Clampett and you'll see a lot of #2 angle late ( a good thing for club head speed) but that isn't his Release Point of #2 throw out. Even Homer in his analysis of Bobby Clampett for the magazine back in the day showed his Snap Release Point at a later point than where his #2 began to Throw Out! Not saying you're wrong or anything just wondering what gives ? Perhaps those super late with a lot of #2 angle guys actually release #2 about where the rest of us do , they just have more of it to throw out?

Mj what did I contradict? I said name some?

Give it up? You're a joke don't talk that way to me ever again. With your Girly emoticons what are you 14

Bottomline the majority of the best players to play this game used random sweep and not a snap release

What is snap release?
 

A snap release, elements per TGM, can be determined by going through 11-20. Particular selections and combinations of trigger, delivery paths, pressure points and accumulators are available for snap release and others are therefore excluded.

[looking at 11-20, Des D, trig. comb. C should have been includes with B ?? - is this an omission??- I have Ed. #6]

HB

More on snap release.
 

I post 2 vids' below for contrast;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLzaiZKP-M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woRsF...eature=related

I am adding 2 quotes from the archives that I think fit the discussion (the answers by yoda not the questions);

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/post25437-1.html

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/post25591-1.html

Interesting?

BOTH SNAP RELEASE??? I think so.

HB

1. high hands- lower hands - does this effect the wedges?

2. both horizontal hinge?, Both Sequenced release? (gona get some discussion here)

3. Difference in roll, one early alignment one late roll through impact. One roll only aout 50* the other more than 90* ?

4. pivot differences? Balance?

Yes both Auto and Non Auto Snap Release , which have different Release Points if you look at the photos. Non Auto needing a little more time to execute theoretically.

It effects the Plane Angle of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge at Impact and therefore the Angle of Attack , impact dynamics 3 dimensionally , amount of plane shift from a TSP etc etc . Also if the hands get so low that they are below an attainable Elbow Plane you are now on a hands plane and have broken your Right Forearm Flying Wedge . If you come into impact on the same Hands Plane you have forfeited the structure of the Right Forearm Wedge........This can be done by design , for effect as a machine adjustment. V.J. Trolio for instance has a flop shot he employs from an "as low as you can go" hands plane . It takes out a lot of the Down in the Angle of Attack and makes clean contact way easier. YOu lay the face wide open so the back of the blade is laying on the ground and brush the grass with a long shallow brushing. With a flop shot a loss in structure can be a good thing , especially for really short shots where less resistance to impact deceleration is a form of an intentional loss of compression.

Sorry if Im off topic .

I see both automatic, One is delivery line throw, the second is wrist throw.





The high hands are small pulley, low hands larger pully making the release point "appear" (is only because of larger pully) earlier.
Problem with higher hands is the wrist geometry is destroyed (first of the archive quotes attached) ie. the left and right both bend and "flip around" like a fresh caught trout.
The rffw goes to the elbow and should fly into impact like a flying wing.


There is lots of good stuff in contrasting these guys.


HB

Thanks MJ!

So its what's happening rather than the intent when classifying things in a golf swing TGM way?

You think Hogan really snapped release as an INTENT or did he full sweep released as an INTENT but result is a snap? If the latter, what do you call this in TGM?