The posed pictures are a joke. I have worked with page designers and editors hell bent on exaggerating pictures to "illustrate" a concept that in my opinion unfairly represents the instruction. The sequence camera captures the real centered motion. The picture were to illustrate the 'feeling.' Don't teach feelings- teach alignments. Feel what you want after the alignments. The graphics editor should not have used such large photographs to illustrate a feel instead of an alignment or even a fixed position.

Just my two and half cents- I have always been a odds with page designers when illustrating my instruction photos.

"Just line up perfectly"- Who said that Yoda?

Fyi
 

The poses and the practice swings are "exxxxxagerations" as for the "real thing" it's very centered and stable...how do I know?...I've been traveling with the infamous duo for the last two events... Aaron's actual motion is very centered stabled and very on plane with a very controlled Arc of Approach procedure...

Bucket ./...your right ...my sequence is what they are teaching...


Yoda...you've seen it live and yes ..might right forearm is not on plane at address...but you know it is at impact....


Why the jumping or extension?...try vertical forces and torques from the ground up to magnify the "wallop"....

You see...those on the outside think this article is all they teach...

I watched Andy manipulate the "Line of Compression" via the power package release sequence with Aaron to control the Arc of Attack, Arc of Approach, and the Rate of Closure of the clubface as it goes around the Hinge Assembly...If that ain't TGM...then I don't know anything about the "Machine Concept"

Bum Rap
 

Thanks, David. I know that magazine 'authors' often have no control of camera and pen. And as I stated in my post, Aaron's Motion did not reflect the exaggerated poses in the article. That is why I left the gate open.

I'll be on the tee next week at the AT&T Classic in Atlanta. If either Andy or Mike is there, maybe they would be willing to shed further light on what the article said and illustrated vs. what they really teach. Meanwhile, the ardent seeker without TOUR access is left searching for the truth.

Thanks for your insights.

P.S. Sorry I missed you in Richmond. We must have been only minutes apart. Next time!

This is "Stack and Tilt"
 

Here's what it looks like..."Stack and Tilt"




Lynn..I will be at the Cliffs...Sorry I missed you in Richmond...Hope all is well!!!

I have absolutely no problem with exaggeration for the purposes of instruction, so long as it is clarified as such. If it is not clarified, then the student will likely misunderstand the model. In this way, exaggeration can be counterproductive and cause the student to unknowingly traverse the wrong path.

Tee for two!
 

Annikan,

Nice to see you posting again. BTW, Congratulations on your PGA Class A Membership as well as your Instructor Authorization GSEB with TGM :salut: .

Thanks Drew....I've been very busy...Traveling and lessons...haven't had much down time ...Plus...I think LBG has pretty much covered almost all the cool topics in the book....You don't have to post much...just link to previous posts.....This place is like a Library!!!!


Did Slammin Sammy..."Stack and Tilt" ?





or "The Hawk"

nice photos dave.good to se you again in richmond.sounds like the discussion you and i had in richmond.i have played with hogan and watched snead hit balls.notice how bens hips have turned level and his flex has maintained in the backswing.as for snead i beleive in your photo he is using hickory shafts.look at the videos on this site.snead maintained his flex in his right knee also.as i told you i dont think the p-b swing is the most efficient way to swing.too many extra moves.sure bads gets his right forearm on plane at impact,but why not start there.
my other question would be,why dont they teach tracing a straight line.a hand controlled pivot is much more efficient than pivot controlled hands.also do you think that any of their players could go from hitting to swinging.i dont think so.but if you trace a staight line and use a hand controlled pivot a player would have the ability too.
hitters dont use their legs to thrust the club.i can say they have had great success with their players.and being a tour player myself that it all that matters.in all fairness i would like to see MR.KELLY'S WORK DISPLAYED THE WAY HE INTENDED.that is why i have so much admiration for lynn.tgm has had a bad rap for 30 years. everyone needs to get on the same page especially if you are going to say you teach the MACHINE.REMEMBER THERE ARE THREE IMPERATIVES TO THE MACHINE.i dont see these in tilt and stack.

John...nice post...

Do Plummer and Bennets Players swing on plane?

Do they have Lag Pressure and Sustain the Line of Compression?

Do they believe in controlloing the Rate of Closure of the Clubface as it orbits the Hinge Assembly?

YES....YES...YES...

Do they use the recommended pattern in Chapter 12?

No...Do you have to?

Do you have to set the right forearm on plane at a Standard Address?

Do you have to use the Visual Equivalents that are pretty much a requirement for a Hands to Pivot procedure?

Does the book allow a player to set up on the Hands Only Plane?

Is the player allowed to make plane angle shifts so as to aid the selected Pivot procedure?

Do you have to start and stay on the Turned Shoulder Plane?

Do Plane Angle shifts allow the player the verssatility in the stroke pattern to shape the Curvature and vary the Trajectory?

Is a flat shoulder turn a superior procedure than the rotated shoulder?

Is MORAD cxompletely Pivot controlled or only in the downstroke?

Does the Pivot and it's sequencing and spacing allow for certain delivery paths and delivery lines?

Do you think certain stroke patterns are built for an emphasis on precise Geometry and others on amplifying the Physics?

Do the students of Plummer, Bennett, and O'Grady swings lack in performance?

There are many answers to these questions and depending on how we have been trained or educated creates a bias toward or away from these variations?

We all tend to like what we are trained to see... and dislike those things we are trained to dislike...


The great thing is ..."latitude in instruction" ...

BTW for you "outsiders"...John Riegger is a helluva guy and talent...looking for good things to come in the near future out of this guy

See ya soon!!!

Lynn..you've seen my motion live...Does it work on the course?

Diff'rent Strokes
 

That it do, David. That it do. :salut: