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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94405)

Irons were two -three clubs shorter but the ball position was still incredibly close!
ICT

Deceleration. Move the Ball a couple of inches on a direct line toward your Right Foot (not back on the plane line). Add a little Hook-Face.

I need a translator

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Originally Posted by brownman (Post 94396)

point of origin of centripetal force?
Kinetic link-point?:BangHead:

I must need either a translator,or a torch so people can see what Im posting,centripetal force?
Kinetic link?
there are diverging forces happening here,all on the one plane...yes no....:scratch:

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Originally Posted by brownman (Post 94409)

I must need either a translator,or a torch so people can see what Im posting,centripetal force?
Kinetic link?
there are diverging forces happening here,all on the one plane...yes no....:scratch:

cf is generated by the pivot. It is on plane. Swinging is all management of cf.

The 3 esentials- Balance, Rhythm and a stationary "head" are essential (they are a rank above imperative) although they are seldom discussed, practiced and even less understood.

There are volumes in the 2 sentence fragments I put above

HB

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94402)

MJ, where did you read, or what makes you think that the Hands move Off-Plane? That theory goes against any current Swing Theory.

After Low-Point, aren't the Club and Hands and Pivot moving Forward (Down Plane)? Although you think that "Forward" is not the same as "Down Plane" I'm sure you must agree that the Hands and Club are moving "Forward" after Impact. I don't know anyone that would claim the Hands and Club stop moving Forward after Impact.

Down the Road (Forward)
Down the Path (Forward)
Down the Aisle (Forward)

Even in the TSP Swing where the hands and right shoulder are on plane from the Top, the hands move off plane when Throwout starts as the left shoulder moves off plane. If the hands stayed on the swing plane, the sweet spot would fly out over the ball, unless the shaft was exactly in line with the left forearm, which is virtually impossible, even if the left wrist were totally uncocked at impact instead of level as it should be. After Throwout starts, the hands move farther inside away from the base line as the golfer sees them, because the Left Flying Wedge is moving off plane.

Of course the hands are moving forward after impact(and during impact), but not "down".

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Originally Posted by brownman (Post 94409)

I must need either a translator,or a torch so people can see what Im posting,centripetal force?
Kinetic link?
there are diverging forces happening here,all on the one plane...yes no....:scratch:

Ok, so a Reactive Force Un-cocks the Left Wrist. No big deal. Is that all CF does? Yes, I think so except for some residual forward momentum. And the more you emphasize Velocity over Mass, the more it counts. But that's another subject, and trick.

Time to toughen up. Golf is a Power Game. :)

We don't hit the Ball with CF unless you use a 10-2-D grip to Un-Cock along the Swing Plane. For Swingers, the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock not only "Turns" from Release to Both Arms Straight, but the Primary Lever is Swiveling during this same period.

How On Plane can that be unless the Wedges are aligned at 90 degrees?

So, unless you're using a "Driving Right Forearm" there will always be some off Plane tendency, somewhere along the process. :confused1

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10-19-C DRAG LOADING Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the “Swinger,” an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release. Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Points #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft – especially for Short Shot Power.

Develop an “Instant Acceleration” Hip Action (to the desired Hand-speed per 10-15-B) so that the Throw Out Action (6-B-3) can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downstroke sequence (6-M-1). See 2-K and 6-F-0. With or without Wristcock, always Drag (Pull 10-3-D) a swinging Club Down Plane – even with only Centrifugal (Angular) Momentum (2-K) See 10-23-C.

For Clubhead Throwaway prevention, monitor the pull of Centrifugal Force and Drag of the Lagging Clubhead.

So, Whats the Clubhead (or Club) reacting to? Easy. It's reacting to the Left Arm being Blown off the Chest while using a Pivot Stroke or in the case of a non-pivot Stroke, Left Arm Motion. For Pivot Strokes, see Homer Kelleys explanation below. I underlined.

The Kinetic Link.......................................... is Very Important because if for one instantaneous moment the link is lost, lower MOI. Bold by Daryl.

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6-B-0 GENERAL Force is applied to the Ball through the Lever Assemblies. Power is applied to the Lever Assemblies through Pressure Points. Power is applied to the Pressure Points by Power Accumulators. Power Accumulators are out-of-line conditions of the Power Package Components. Out-of-line simply means “not in a straight line from end to end.” Releasing them to seek their in-line condition releases their stored potential. Varying the amount of out-of-line and/or the amount of muscular effort will vary the accumulation of Power that can be Released by the selected Triggering action. Accumulators are numbered in the order of their probable widest use in Stroke Type Combinations.

Clubhead Lag (6-C) is, of course, and out-of-line condition in the Power Package but is not considered an Accumulator because its “Release” is a power loss. Again, Lag and Drag in the Pivot train (6-M-1) are out-of-line conditions also (but not of the Power Package) and likewise are not “Released.” Else the Swing Radius of the Stroke would be shortened – which is also a power loss. Swing Radius is what makes it harder to get a balanced 20 foot board around a corner than a 5-foot board. A hanging Driver weighs less than one pound, but at arms length the deltoids (2-M-3) are supporting about four pounds – considering the arm weight as negligible. But with arm and club parallel to the ground, the Wrist is supporting close to six pounds and the deltoids about ten. From the Feet the total moment of Inertia increases proportionately to Pivot Lag. So the Clubhead (or Primary Lever Assembly) whose Swing Radius extends to the feet is much harder to decelerate during Impact. Which means better Clubhead Speed at Separation. See 2-E.

Anytime you Accelerate the Club Longitudinally, you'll earn "Throw-Out" if you're going around in a circle. With a Flat Left Wrist at Release, there's not much of it, just enough to help the #3 Accumulator do the dirty work to "Wallop the BAll" . Now, if you play with a Bent Left Wrist at Release, then Cf is much more significant and the residual momentum is much greater and the #3 Accumulator will passively go along for the Ride.

Watch the Pro's. When you see Super Fast Pivots compared to s-l-o-w-e-r Pivots with the same output power, the Slower Pivot Players are Driving the Right Forearm through Release. Nothing wrong with a Fast Pivot. They're very different Pivots and ground forces.

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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 94411)

10 years ago I would have agreed with you. 10 years from today (hopefully sooner) you'll agree with me.

Thank you for your responses.

Im still yet to master the right forearm timing ,I have found it a few times and the ball goes so much further,armed with your last post(and a great one at that)I will attempt to attain my optimum mix of r/forearm and cen force,once happy ,i will ingrain it so its there naturally,I really needed to know if it is wise to mix right forearm and how to apply it,your words"down plane" may well be the key.....thank ALL for contributing ....cheers

My opponent shot an 80...

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94407)

Sounds promising. Right Hip Turns Left to start the Down Stroke. Left heel becomes planted. That's a good one.

43 degrees. Not so good. But daring.

Did you win?

...But he still lost 5 holes to 3 with no strokes given! :)

I nailed lots of straight balls yesterday with driver, 3 wood and hybrids but missed some conversions of putts and chips.

And by sliding the ball [i]in a straight line of a couple of inches back toward my right foot I will pick up some "hoopah!" [/I] But the ball is so close to me it feels almost inside the width of the turn of my shoulder! :exclaim:

ICT

My opponent shot an 80...

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94407)

Sounds promising. Right Hip Turns Left to start the Down Stroke. Left heel becomes planted. That's a good one.

43 degrees. Not so good. But daring.

Did you win?

...But he still lost 5 holes to 3 with no strokes given! :)

I nailed lots of straight balls yesterday with driver, 3 wood and hybrids but missed some conversions of putts and chips.

And by sliding the ball in a straight line of a couple of inches back toward my right foot I will pick up some "hoopah!" ] But the ball is so close to me it feels almost inside the width of the turn of my shoulder! :exclaim:

ICT

My opponent shot an 80...

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94407)

Sounds promising. Right Hip Turns Left to start the Down Stroke. Left heel becomes planted. That's a good one.

43 degrees. Not so good. But daring.

Did you win?

...But he still lost 5 holes to 3 with no strokes given! :)

I nailed lots of straight balls yesterday with driver, 3 wood and hybrids but missed some conversions of putts and chips.

And by sliding the ball in a straight line of a couple of inches back toward my right foot I will pick up some "hoopah!" But the ball is so close to me it feels almost inside the width of the turn of my shoulder! :exclaim:

ICT