Lord Byron half Nelson One-Piece-Takeaway?
 

Sorry for the quality of the scans. Not sure if it's the scanner or the fool that scanned 'em???

more . . .

more . . .

Byron a little older . . . Not as old as Collards though.
 

I like this motion better . . .

The Perfect Start Down
 

Sorry for the temporary hijack of this 'One Piece' thread, but I couldn't help myself. Plate #45 above may the all-time great model for a correct Start Down. The Sweetspot, the Clubface, the Clubshaft, the Hands and the Flat Left Wrist, the Right Shoulder all aligned perfectly with the Baseline of the Inclined Plane. And the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is supporting that Action beautifully. It just doesn't get any better than this.

Thanks for posting, Colonel!

Caddy View
 

Those who can not feel the 'room' for the right arm to extend through impact should take special note of plate #43.

Nearly every hacker has moved the hands away from their body and club well inside at this point. Instantly off, and above plane - yet appearing to the eye of most to be below plane (because the shaft is).

Keeping the clubhead "outside the hands" and staying on plane such as this excellent example at #43 is the cure. Split grip drills can help a lot to really 'get' this feel. Especially from impact to both arms straight. You will have "room" to extend the right arm from the 'inside', downplane. You will really be able to feel that "magic" - the right forearm.

I most certainly agree with Lynn. #45 is about as good as it gets.

Study 43, 44,45 closely ;)

Byron's Missing Photos
 

Those seekers wanting a close look at Lord Byron's post-Impact alignments (in the larger, first series above from the book, Winning Golf) have already discovered that they are not there. But don't blame Colonel 12 Piece for not scanning a few in. He couldn't because they were deliberately omitted from the book. Here's the story:

Byron always preached "straight back and straight through" with "no pronation or supination" of the Wrists during the Stroke. It was the hallmark of his teaching and the philosophical basis of the modern, one-piece swing that took full advantage of the 'new' steel shafts. But, when he viewed the book's galley proofs, he found to his horror that a great deal of Rolling (Horizontal Hinging) through Impact was, in fact, going on. Worse yet, he saw that a decidedly aggressive Finish Swivel independently rotated the Vertical Wrists of Horizontal Hinging back On Plane after the Follow-Through.

Despite the undeniable proof staring him in the face, he did not feel this action through the Ball and thought it would be misleading to his public to put them in. He therefore 'did what he had to do' and demanded that the offending photographs -- all of them, irons and woods alike -- be removed from the book. And they were.

Hence, we are left with the following Sections of the Stroke:

-- Address

-- Start Up

-- Backstroke

-- Top

-- Start Down

-- Downstroke

-- Release

-- Impact

[Hinge Action and Follow-Through Missing]

[Finish Swivel Missing]

-- Finish

This prompt dispatch made Byron feel better, but the price tag was the perpetuation of Steering and its fraud on the unsuspecting average golfer. The correct Hinge Action, Follow-Through and Finish Swivel are important guideposts along the way to the precision destination of the Finish. And without these, not only is the Finish in jeopardy, but likewise the preparatory Release and Impact. No doubt these important photos were just as great as those that 'made the cut,' but the difference between 'Feel and Real' was just too much for Byron to handle.

And that is why the Star System of G.O.L.F. is so important. It supplies the correct Golf Stroke Mechanics as well as the necessary geometrical alignments for their precision application. Then, it provides the methodology for Translating those Mechanics into their Feel equivalents.

Result?

A satisfying journey for those who choose its path.

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin!
 

Cool! I kept wondering why did the pics just go straight from Impact to Finish . . . ON EVERY SEQUENCE?

Here's what Iron B had to say to that point . . .

RELEASING HAND POWER - At this point in the swing . . . (Release) I have the sensation of my right hand trying to catch up with my left. . . . The left hand is not turned (rolled) over, and will not do so during the entire swing. . . . this method increases accuracy and consistency. It is a sure cure for the common fault of rolling your wrists (turning the left under and the right over, as the clubhead progresses into the follow-through stage of the swing).

Yoda how old were you when the book was written? You were probably a 740 yearold whipper snapper.

Avoid the 'A' Train
 

Not only did Byron take out the revealing photos, he specifically states in the text above that the correct action -- Left Hand Roll (Hinge Action) and Finish Swivel -- should be avoided. Further, he embraces the incorrect action ("the left Hand... will not [roll] during the entire swing").

Again, all this is simply out-and-out Steering -- the First Snare (3-F-7-A). Despite the logic of the message -- "seems as if" -- and the immortal status of the messenger, the advice is wrong. Those who take it will have climbed aboard the 'A' Train to Hackerville.

yoda, i see the bold 'start down' statement. do you mean it should be this way at end of backswing? or something else? especially seeing he is still on his backswing...i understand the geometric relationships that this 'position' would be perfect up AND down, is that what you are saying?

I think Yoda's statement was misapplied to the plate number. Check out the 2nd Smaller Swing Sequence from the down the line view. Look at the "transition" from the Top to Start Down. Then re-read the post. Yoda was referencing Start Down not Top. Take away the first picture here . . . and you may mistake him for Hogan.

Mistaken Identity -- The Editors Got It Wrong
 

Powerdraw and Colonel 12 Piece,

Have ye no faith in 'ol Yoda? :)

What I said was that Plate 45 is a model Start Down, and that is exactly what I meant. Clearly, it is a Start Down with the leading Downstroke Body Turn having already Loaded the Power Package Lag. It is not a Backswing, despite the label erroneously applied by the editor and the accompanying analysis by, presumably, the author. As proof, compare the left thigh pant creases in Plate 43 ("Start of the Backswing") with those of Plate 45. As they do in other sequences in the book, the creases should have become more 'slack' as the Hip Turn increased and the Knee moved further into the Backstroke. Instead, the creases were stretched out in Plate 45 by the leading Hips and Left Leg in the Downstroke. [These photos are not of the same Stroke but the principle is the same.]

Colonel, please scan in Plate 35. That is a Backswing photo. Then, put Plates 35 and 45 side-by-side in comparison mode. The Top (long iron) and the Start Down (mid-iron) will be obvious.

Also scan in Plate 37, which is a front view of this exact alignment. Here the Hands similarly have already re-traced from the End of the Stroke to the Top (Hands Right Shoulder High and On Plane). It is with a long iron, but the comparison is still relevant. Especially with regards to the Pivot Lag -- Hips leading Shoulders and the Loaded Power Package in the Downstroke.

By the way, how about that Ball Boy out in the distance (just under Byron's forehead)? A forgotten part of the Game. I used to love watching the legends at Augusta -- Snead, Hogan, Demaret and Nelson -- firing directly at their caddies. In the case of that group, the caddies deserved Hazardous Duty Pay!

Whoa.....that's why he left those outta the book?

That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard....

Would have been bumb if it was an accident or oversight. Without knowing the man's defence, I'm more inclined to call it a disgrace. [-( [-X

colonel, i'd love to see a side by side pics of what yoda is stating above, thanks!

Monday Monday
 

I ain't steppin' in a Green hornet's nest . . . my mama didn't raise no fool . . . well maybe she did.

I skipped my nap at work to post these bad boys. Ain't got no scanner at home and left the book at work. So you'll have to wait until Monday. I would agree with your analysis of the pic though. The other sequence shows the same thing right?

How 'bout this though Cap. . . . Check out Iron B's hands and the plane shift in the sequence with the Hogan brim compared to Plate 45. We are seeing a 10-7-G Reverse Loop Shift here, which we don't see in Plate 45, right? Also, chould you comment on the patented Byron Knee Sag (Double Anchor) through ball?

I'll get it up :D . . . on Monday when I'm on The Man's time.

Full Nelson
 

This is sweet!

I'm confused plate 45 is backswing are you saying that even though its backswing, thats what start down should look like???:confused:

A Start Down By Any Other Name Is Still A Start Down
 

The photo has been mislabeled by the editors, mcflog. It is not a Backswing photo. It is a Start Down photo.

View Stroke sequences critically: Such an error is not as rare as you might think. Also, it is not unusual for one Sequence to be constructed from two or more Strokes.

Thanks. maybe it was buckets psychadelic scan job that got me off track. lol

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Mr. Yoda... plate #45 looks like a backswing picture. Is Mr. Nelson also in this same aligmment at Start Down, or are you saying that this would be IDEAL if one was in this condition at Start Down?-------------- I see now there has been some discussion about this.

Byron In Wonderland -- Where Down Is Up
 

As I scan through Byron Nelson's 1946 classic, Winning Golf, I see that Plate 55 also has been mislabeled "Backswing." This time, the error is even more egregious: The Stroke is through Start Down and well into the Downstroke. Even whoever wrote the accompanying text seemed to realize that something different was going on:

"The wrists have cocked considerably more than they do in playing a longer iron. The reason -- for short shots you hit the ball more with the hands and arms."

No, the reason the "wrists have cocked considerably more" is because it is a Downstroke photo, not a Backstroke photo! It is stuff like this that caused Homer Kelley to ignore the text of the golf books of his day and focus on the photos themselves.

Still not a bad idea! :D

Hall of Fame Post EDZ!!! Excellent.

Rope
 

Mr. Nelson has a little Rope Drag(where he starts the handle back first, then the clubhead catches up)to start the TAKEAWAY.
Do any of you use this?

It is a good way to get the FEEL for Swinging, but don't overdo it. TGMers, if they wish to employ this, should probably execute the ROPE DRAG as part of their RIGHT FOREARM TAKEAWAY. It's very subtle, and should just be a part of the total Right Forearm Takeaway along with a slight FANNING and gradual UPWARD MOTION. The LEFT ARM, is simultaneously doing it't selected WRIST ACTION.

It is also one way to help people that whip the club inside!

The Lagging Clubhead Takeaway
 

Lagster,

All excellent points! This is what Homer Kelley termed the Lagging Clubhead Takeaway -- the Swinger's Ideal -- in the soon to be published 7th edition. And it absolutely is executed in conjunction with the Right Forearm Takeaway.

Colonel 12 Piece, when you're scanning tomorrow, please also scan Plate 32 so readers will see clearly what Lagster is talking about.

Ole Faithful's Plates are Falling Out
 

Here you go. Sorry about the difference in size. The host site crashed that had the first files.

PLATE 35

PLATE 45

PLATE 37