Shoulder Turn for Hitters
 

Okay, since we hitters only go to "top" with hands right shoulder height is our shoulder turn "full?"

In other words, is our shoulder turn 90* with our left shoulder under the chin or does it stop short of that?

I think so. It's just that your arms won't 'lift' nearly as much as they would with a swinging procedure.




3JACK

When I get the left shoulder under my chin, the results seem to be better, that's for sure!

Might be due to having the shoulder plane steeper. So you may *feel* like you have the shoulder under the chin and turning more, but the reality is that your shoulder plane was probably too flat on the backswing before and now it's steeper which helps put you into other better mechanics.

Learn feel from mechanics, my friend. :thumright




3JACK

:thumright :thumright :thumright :thumright :thumright :thumright

Here in lies the problem of not being able to see Yoda or having a qualified machinist around...I have to look in the mirror, etc. On the course, it gets really hard to not go by feel!

Well, that's why you should try and purchase a camera. That way you can see your swing in reality, check out the mechanics, re-work some things if needed, then once the mechanics start to take place...'feel your way around' as to what it feels like when you do it right.





3JACK

3Jack,

do feel a steeper shoulder turn is more comaptible w/ hitting vs swinging? We have a nice thread in the swingers forum goin on about the steepness of the BS shoulder turn right now.

Im experimenting as we speak. Ive decide that a neutral turn is best, not quite as steep as S&T but not as flat as the McDonald drills.

I think it's compatible with either. If I had to choose one, I'd say more compatible with hitting. You're likely to be more upright in the backswing with the arm plane when swinging, flatter with hitting. So the steeper shoulder plane *could* help with getting 'neutral.'

Part of the problem is waist bend with golfers. You get a golfer who is 5'8" tall, using a 46.5" driver and then they wonder why they cannot get their shoulder turn steep enough on the downswing. Well, tough to get waist bend with a driver that long.






3JACK

Ive noticed as a drive load hitter that the further away I stand (which makes me bend over more) the easier it is to get the shaft on plane at address, and the better my ball striking.

Like you have mentioned before in your blog, most golfers, especially "late bloomers" are better suited to be hitters. I just find it easier to keep everything "right sided" Rt forearm on plane at address, Rt forearm takeaway, rt shoulder down plane, rt hand palm strike w/ #1PP, get rt shoulder to finish pointing at the target...

Make sure your wrist conditions are correct when taking the right forearm on plane at address, most people have the left wrist already cocked and to set the right forearm on plane in this condition you have to do some unnatural things.

true, true...level left wrist is key

Good point. Yet another of the "bad instruction" list for me...let your arms hang straight down. Builds in wrist cock, low hands, lots of problems (for me, anyway).

Though I'm not a hitter this is a really good point. I finally figured out that often my left wrist is not level at address or impact. Getting it level (at least I think it is) has helped a lot, I can get my right forearm on plane now :) I'm hitting the ball almost as long as before my tinkering while I feel I'm really only using about 50% effort (compared to always trying to knock the snot out of the ball.......helps get to uncocked and max. lever extension).

You fit right in with me and my homeys. We will be working on these same principles the rest of our golfing lives. Mr Maestro, the most important thing I have learned so far, keep it simple. Don't go too deep into the book until you have made sure your wobble doesn't lie in the Imperatives or Essentials. Those are our fundamentals, and it's unbelievable how many lessons I give that don't have to go past them without being extremely helpful to the student, and especially for self diagnosis. I like to make personal swing key lists, along with Homer's Imperatives, Kevin's Imperatives include the level left wrist.

Kevin

lost swing
 

I was playing in a tourney last week when it "happened",I lost my swing completly,had my lie angles redone and clubs regripped the day before. The situation called for a turnaround somewhere,and I was lucky ,simply turned back into a hitter for remaining 14 holes,got a "A" H/cap win at least,my point is....how good is it to be able to have reliable alternate pattern to fall back on............staying with it for the near future,my cocern at this point is that while my irons deserted me my driver was still solid in swing pattern,is it OK to play with both,I might add I did stay with swing on small chips

NiceB!
 

Do you use senior shafts on anything?


ICT

It is definitely ok to use both however u need to understand their differences, account for them and make sure one does not influence the other which can be difficult when switchig back and forth this is why homer preferred that all your patterns be the same from putt to drive well at least the same loading action. It's easy to confuse the machine and switchig between loading can be tricky

Level Left Wrist/turn/pivot
 

Swing thought for the club championship I think!

ICT

It's the first thing Yoda did to fix Lou Holtz! It makes the swing sooooo much easier.

Lining up mid-body Standard Address..
 

And then Impact Fix right? I tend to get out of my car in Impact Fix. Brush my teeth with Impact Fix but doing it the other way each time puts the right forearm on plane which is crucial, n'est pas? :read:


ICT