new student
 

after one lesson...

Things have gone haywire in frame 6 - the club head is too far back away from the target leading to massive throwaway in frame 7. He needs to learn to retain his angle from the top right now before this becomes ingrained!

I see the loss in angle, student does a good job of not flipping it from frame 6.

Why do you see this happening, pivot issues, hand path, hand speed?

My guess is over acceleration, but you're right, he still manages to get his hands to the ball before the club head. What would you say?

Not sure, honestly I would guess. If he was able to maintain that lag a little more I am sure it would only help power wise and low point control wise as he gets his hands in a pretty good impact alignment.

A Loaded Question
 

Whip,

Lots to like here. Great alignments at Impact and Follow-through, i.e., to the Both Arms Straight position (Section 11).

The student is Hitting (as evident in his Release motion). Therefore, as a next srep on his journey, I would offer him the alternative of the Hitter's Drive Loading procedure (10-19-A) from the Top (per the Hitter's Basic Pattern 12-1-0) instead of his current Drag Loading (10-19-C) which is more compatible with Swinging (12-2-0).

Thanks for posting!

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Since he goes to the End, rather than stopping at the Top, I just assumed he was Swinging. Hitting would explain his hands moving away from his right shoulder and relative lack of hip action. Larry Nelson is the only other Hitter I have seen who goes to the End.

It's not the bowing I was refering to, but rather the loss of wristcock starting in frame 6. Perhaps "haywire" wasn't the right word, but he has serious throwaway IF he is actually Swinging. The problem is that the max wristcock contribution to total clubhead speed is attained very shortly after the onset of release, and so the clubhead is slowing too much at impact relative to what it could otherwise be. This can be somewhat mitigated by a very strong pivot through impact, but why throw away speed potential?

Your glass is half full. In a Turned Shoulder Plane Swing, the hands should be transported to release by the right shoulder and their movement away from the right shoulder should be minimized. That is, #4 release should be delayed. Independently moving the hands downplane toward release is over-acceleration and causes #4 throwaway and usually also #2 throwaway. In Hitting however, the right shoulder is a platform, off which the right tricep hits after taking out the slack of the left side.

whip, in the sequence above, is he Swinging or Hitting? If it's a throwaway Swing as it looks like to me, I'd bet that shot didn't carry 200 yds, even if it's a 3 or 4 iron.

His posture looks good there Whip, nice job.

Do you think if you fixed his arch he could get to Top and have more #2 angle , more lag loading. He sort of looks like he's doing a lot of lifting to "get to parallel" in position golf speak. Leading to excess arm/ hand travel.... what some guys call "run off". The arms running away from the pivot a bit.

How long has he been playing? Is he a natural? Looks like it. If so his bad alignments , loss of EA in the third Station etc will be easy to fix as nothing is really ingrained as of yet. Old dogs , like me , we're way harder to retrain.

The earlier this becomes a habit, the harder it is to break, which was my point from the beginning. But it's apparently not a problem here, given Yoda's Hitting analysis.

Missing Man Formation
 

Whip,

Why so many deleted posts?

You opened with three words and a photo squence. In random fashion, you have since deleted the sequence and your four subsequent responding posts. Makes it difficult for 'the rest of us' to follow, especially in your own thread.

Obviously, something's not working here. Unless you post to the contrary, we'll close this thread tomorrow. That's unfortunate, because it had great promise (which is why I personally posted). PM me if you want to reopen.

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