Which greats used snap release other than hogan
 

name me a truly great player who has used a snap release other than hogan

IN my opinion.....

"Snap release" The most seductive "alignment" in golf. Every boy's dream, to "jam" the handle down to their left knee and "snap" into impact(exageration), most get to the right hip and flip, some get to, go through, a series of wrist manipulations.

Maybe it should be called a "SLAP" release. That may prevent some manipulations by the hands.

The whole rffw is taken into impact. The assembly into impact. The elbow continues, the shoulder continues, the axis must tilt and the hip clear to do what Hogan does.

I think many try but the greats learn how to move the assembly, there are others like Hogan. BUT, to think of a snap release as a ""stand-alone" manipulation" has its consequences.

Again-just an opinion.

HB

Anyone? Of the all time greats how many used snap release otter than hogan?

Bobby Jones

hb

Bobby used random sweep he wasn't snap

Then I guess it does not exist in the famous including Hogan. It is only a "hackers" procedure.

hb

Jones used random sweep hogan used snap. Calling all golfmachinists can anyone name a great player that used snap release

Can U support that conclusion Please
Thanks
HB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm8x0105cEY&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuyhxCJf4Pg&sns=em

Sounds like your drooping shaft is getting into your head. :laughing9

Intersting stuff. But for the purposes of discussion can someone please define Snap Release. Let's all get on the same page here.

And at the risk of preaching to the choir I'd like to point out the benefits of earlier than snap as utilized by Mr Hogan. release point being a Machine adjustment . Jack couldn't hit a sky high cut 2 iron without Random Sweep!!! Luke Donalds sand shots wouldn't work with a snap release !!

For practical purposes, the shaft should be horizontal or above when the butt of the left hand reaches the right thigh on the DS. Some snap releases are snappier than others. :happy3:

Kelvin Miyahira has identified a few "extreme laggers" in his publications. I haven't looked at them through "snap release" glasses, but I guess some of them are snapping. Like DJ, for instance.

I think Hogan had a later release (or hands more forward prior to the release) before he was hit by the greyhound bus, btw.

Don't relate the release to the right leg, a snap release is as if there were to be no release at all the last possible second and then instant swivel the butt of the club in a line of sight with the ball and and the shaft horizontal is snap for a short iron. I haven't seen a name yet...

Bobby Clampett

Hb

Is it generally accepted among TGMers that Hogan snap released? How do you classify one as a snap releaser, random releaser or full releaser? Is it the intent (feel), or is it reality (what we see happens)?

Hey there svs - welcome to the TGM forum! A snap release is one in which the maximum wristcock you generate is saved for as late a release as possible and still have proper impact alignments. One practical way to measure this on video is to measure the shaft angle to the ground at .06 secs before impact, which is about where the butt of the left hand is when it just gets to the left leg. It should be horizontal or above. The best snappers get the left hand in front of the zipper with the shaft still horizontal.

Here's the one of the best on tour now - at .07 when the butt of the left hand just reaches the zipper, the shaft is still ABOVE horizontal! :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD9cxED7qPg

That's too easy - Woods 2012 4 mos ago - at :17 when the butt of his hand just reaches the right leg, he has retained full wristcock for a late snap. His earlier swing versions were even better. Is he "great" enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLCs8sdj56I

Data?
 

Is there any data, other than antidotal, that demonstrate one release type produces greater clubhead velocity than another?

HB

Sorry I said truly great players Bobbys career was less than spectacular as well as sergio

This is not a thread about the snap release and it's velocity or anything else only which greats used it

OK - The 4 greatest were Jones, Hogan, Nicklaus, and Woods and half of them snap released.

There's plenty of hall of famers to list can u name the ones that had snap releases, only hogan of those u listed snap releases tiger dnt snap when he was at his best

Sorry, my error, I thought I was In the LESSON TEE section under: The Golfing Machine - Basic
Helping clear the fog for newcomers to The Golfing Machine and the thread would somehow start to be on topic.
Guess not.

The Bear

The topic is which greats used snap

Snap is as late as possible, sweep is right from the start down as early as possible and random sweep is anywhere in between

The original question "name me a truly great player who has used a snap release other than hogan". my emphasis

The answer is: ALL OF THEM

hb

Sorry hb they didn't all snap release

I agree with OB here... can we define terms?

I submit that we maybe confusing Snap LOADING with Hogan vs. Snap Release......There is an inherent connection of Snap Release with Trigger Delay.... does Hogan exhibit a massive amount of trigger delay compared to some?

Hogan and Bobby clampett and Sergio snap basically everyone else doesn't

Great Examples...
 

Other great Examples of snap release:

A World Champion;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkmymyrJtz8

True "SNAP" releases;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNNzRyd1xz0

HB

We tend to think of Snap Release in terms of Swinging , Auto Snap, Pitch Elbow , big #2 angle and of course maximum delay , but I believe there can be other looks , component combinations and Release Points even.

Homer did define Non Auto Snap for Hitters and Swingers (with their respective Release Triggers) . If you look at the photos that accompany Non Auto and Auto Snap you'll notice an earlier Release Point for the non Auto version. Its late but it isn't as late as Auto Snap which to me implies that it would be incorrect to say Snap is defined by a specific position or Release Point.

You could also argue (perhaps in a nit picky way) that Hitters are releasing their Right Elbow and that a Non Auto Snap for them would have less to do with how much #2 angle they were carrying prior to Release.

For sure it, Snap is late but ......there's a range of available options, components again.

As an aside , Homer would not want us to achieve huge #2 angle if gotten via rubber wrists. He wasn't at all enamoured with the rubbery wrists aspect of Jones or Hogan's swings. He had a strong preference for control. Same with Lynn, from my experience. If you look at Hogan in Power Golf he was "playing the flute" with his left hand at top. Only his fingers were attached to the handle. Same with Jones.

Sounds like heresy I know, I love both of those guys swings but ...it should be pointed out.

PS Hogan was in Homers words "the ideal" when it comes to ground up Drag Loading. Not saying Homer wasn't a Hogan fan or appreciator, he was.

Yes Sergio sadlowski clampett all snap release none o them however can be considered truly great on a PGA tour career scale

On a scale of 1-100 in all 3 zones hogan would get a 99 in all zones

Still nobody has been able to name a truly great player who used snap release

What you say above fits exctly with my personal thinking. Right On!!! Ahy

HB

You named one! :confused1

OTHER than hogan

I already named Woods. Youtube is teeming with video proof.

Woods didn't snap release in 2000 when he was a different better player