Flip Release
 

Having trouble understanding the difference between an "Auto Snap Release" and an "Auto Flip Release". ??:scratch:

TIA, David

Crackle and Wilson
 

How about this for rephrasing your question.

See which one or all of these is/are what you were trying to figure out.

1) How does the "automatic" differ between the two procedures?
2) How does the aiming point procedure differ from the Flip release procedure?
3) Since both procedures - aiming point (a fixed plane line point controlled procedure) and Flip Release (moving body controlled procedure) are methods for controlling the release point of the release and can control/produce any release point from full sweep to snap - I'm curious how the snap release would be different between the two?

And on the day I have just convinced myself that Aiming Point was a concept not a prtocedure but a suamtion of procedures. Now U have messed -up my mind, again, maybe.

HB

It is a procedure - it's a point on the plane line at which you thrust the lag pressure at PP#3 from the Top or after a plane shift, and is one of HK's greatest contributions!

Lets put it out for discussion-
Is aming point:
A concept
or
A procedure
???

HB

Its both procedure and concept IMO in that it is at least two quite different procedures and one subconscious done by everybody feel based concept.

IMO, the first of the Aiming POint procedures is the intentional looking at a point fore or aft of the ball along the Arc of Approach to help the lever in hand arrive at its impact fix alignment easier given that longer levers switch ends slower. (Changes in the Release Point are a consideration as well in this regard).


The non procedure version is the subconscious manner in which a golfer gets a "feel " for the manner in which a certain stick , lever switches ends and adjusts accordingly . This we all do with a waggle or practice swing. Whether we know we are doing it or not.

There is a direction of thrust Aiming Point procedure as well which can be used as an alternative to Tracing. Instead of Tracing the Plane LIne you thrust cross line in accordance with the amount of OUT inherent in the 3 dimensional delivery path of the hands given ball placement. Like throwing a stone with your #3 pp at the point on the ball which is associated with the delivery path of the clubhead. The point of contact on the ball being Inside aft or more back of the ball as the ball gets positioned closer to low point.


The flip release on the other hand has a singular release point for every club , done in relation to the body , subconsciously . Like say for instance you are "getting stuck", you cant get your right elbow past your right hip or stomach. Release ensuing. Talking release of #4 here , IMO, not #2. #2 will follow given the 4, 1, 2,3 order of things. The Right Arm say when one gets stuck , cant pass the rigth hip so ... the left arm leaves the chest and the right arm straightens. This body related singular release point for every club , every length of stick, presents problems given the fact that longer levers take longer to switch ends, shorter ones take less time etc. As such the golfer needs to make adjustments to his Stance Line (open or closed) so the lever meets the ball sooner or later . Instead of adjusting his aiming point or his release point he adjusts other things , things that are still available to him .

I must admit I dont understand Homer in the 4th paragraph when he's talking about a singular ball position vis a vis the left foot etc. Can you clarify things Mike? That doesnt seem right to me.

I think, I dunno.

How are you doing Mike? Merry Christmas baby.


Edit : Another Flip Release would be a feel for Rolling the Left Hand off its laying flat to plane condition at the same point in the swing vis a vis the body . That would be a "flip" like move after all. Something done habitually , perhaps by fear: to get back to Adjusted Address in a mis guided notion of what to do. I dunno. Homer was nuts so ... the better you understand what he was talking about the more nuts you must be too logically.

Good news for you - it didn't make sense to Homer either and that's why he changed it after the 3rd edition.

Hah !!!!!!

Now, are U taloking me int being confused also?

In my edition 6:
middle second paragraph 6-E-2;
"This led to the assumption that one Release Feel would use one Ball location resulting in a constant struggle for consistency."
As I have interpreted it-
We have a choice-
Maintain the feel and move the ball
OR
Maintain the ball position and have a different feel for each club.
BUT
Never the same feel and position for all clubs.

I think this is 1 and 2 on page 83?

HB

First, let's decide what a flip release is. I've always considered a flip release as the substitution of a bent left wrist for both the proper uncocking of the LW, and Throwout.

Why'd Homer call it a "Flip" ? He's pretty clear in his definition of how it happens but what is it specifically? Could it be a turning of the hands (the left hand) off their aligned to plane condition (at a common release point for every club, in relation to the body)?

Sort of like his description of the non auto wrist throw procedure. Is it a flip like motion of the hands? But done at the same place vis a vis the body every swing, with every club , every lever length .

Would a desire to Steer , given false logic promote a flip impulse? As if the steerer just had to get his angles out to get a square face attacking the ball straight on? Which is probably impossible at speed, putting he could actually do it. When Homer says flip addict , does he mean that guys can get this procedure ingrained?

IMO it could be mechanical in nature too. Say you got a right hip blocking your right elbow...... you gonna release right then and there no? The right arm straightens to pass the right hip.

I dunno.