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brownman 03-07-2013 11:36 PM

Switting???????????
 
Hi,before everyone jumps on me,I do realise that nowhere in the book does the word switting exist.
The reason for this post is that Im having a discussion OFF FORUM on this word.
A couple of yrs ago (i think it was here)I believe I read that the word "switter" was given to Brian Gays swing by TPI (titlest P institute)I trying to assertain if that is in fact the case.cheers and thanks in advance:study:

Daryl 03-13-2013 05:50 AM

I first heard the term 10 years ago. "Switting" described someone mixing Swinging and Hitting Components.

Daryti 01-24-2014 03:58 AM

Is this Switting?

After a full rotated shoulder term, pusing through #1 straight to the ball on start down, the club will keeping moving together with hip slide etc. It should not be hitting as no intention to straighten the right arm to the right.

Especially for the driver, it is more consistent, enable and ensure the club is releasing to the ball.

So, swinging with #1 is this still swinging and ok?

MizunoJoe 01-24-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryti (Post 95539)
Is this Switting?

After a full rotated shoulder term, pusing through #1 straight to the ball on start down, the club will keeping moving together with hip slide etc. It should not be hitting as no intention to straighten the right arm to the right.

Especially for the driver, it is more consistent, enable and ensure the club is releasing to the ball.

So, swinging with #1 is this still swinging and ok?

Switting means straightening the right arm in an attempt to help uncock the LW at some time between release point to impact in a Swinging motion. You can push #1 to release point in a Swinging motion as long as you don't push in the release interval, interfering with cf uncocking the LW. So, if that's what you're doing, it's OK.

Daryti 01-24-2014 09:10 PM

Thanks Joe, I do not think I quite understand "further acceleration can be applied only at PP#1" in 10-19-C. Is this what you mentioned?

MizunoJoe 01-25-2014 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryti (Post 95544)
Thanks Joe, I do not think I quite understand "further acceleration can be applied only at PP#1" in 10-19-C. Is this what you mentioned?

I think what HK means in 10-19-C, is that any further acceleration applied at PP#1 has to be a pull along the shaft, because if you push on #1 with the right triceps, you would preempt cf, and be switting. That's the only sense I can make of it.

svsvincenzo 01-28-2014 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 95545)
I think what HK means in 10-19-C, is that any further acceleration applied at PP#1 has to be a pull along the shaft, because if you push on #1 with the right triceps, you would preempt cf, and be switting. That's the only sense I can make of it.

Maybe HK meant really PA1 use when CF has already started releasing?

In any case, HK prefers 4-1-2-3...could there be any swinging element with 4-1-2-3? None, yah? This is pure hitting, correct?

Par71 01-28-2014 09:07 AM

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Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Point #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft - especially for Short Shot Power.
That sentence from 10-19-C refers to the third paragraph in 10-11-0 (citing from the 6th edition).

You apply acceleration at PP#1 to actuate the Primary Lever Assembly (accelerate the Left Arm, basically). But the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Club) is actuated by Centrifugal Force alone (Release of Accumulators #2 and/or #3).

And no, this a Swinging procedure. No Hitting. No Switting.

MizunoJoe 01-28-2014 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Par71 (Post 95556)
That sentence from 10-19-C refers to the third paragraph in 10-11-0 (citing from the 6th edition).

You apply acceleration at PP#1 to actuate the Primary Lever Assembly (accelerate the Left Arm, basically). But the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Club) is actuated by Centrifugal Force alone (Release of Accumulators #2 and/or #3).

And no, this a Swinging procedure. No Hitting. No Switting.

This must be done with the right shoulder and not the right triceps, so the part of the sentence in 10-18-C, which is confusing is "further acceleration", which implies something else was accelerating PP#1 earlier. That could only be the right triceps. In a 3-barrel Swing only the driving right shoulder should be applying acceleration at PP#1.

Par71 01-30-2014 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 95557)
This must be done with the right shoulder and not the right triceps, so the part of the sentence in 10-18-C, which is confusing is "further acceleration", which implies something else was accelerating PP#1 earlier. That could only be the right triceps. In a 3-barrel Swing only the driving right shoulder should be applying acceleration at PP#1.

Not sure what you mean by applying acceleration at PP#1 with the right shoulder.

I think that sentence from 10-19-C refers to the use of Accumulator #1. That's not a 4-2-3 Triple Barrel Swing.

You can add acceleration to the Primary Lever Assembly with the Right Arm (Accumulator #1) - as long as you don't actuate the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Club) with the Right Arm, as long as you don't drive the Club with the Right Arm, the Secondary Lever Assembly is still being pulled longitudinally by the Left Arm, and it's still a Swing.

Daryti 01-30-2014 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Par71 (Post 95566)
Not sure what you mean by applying acceleration at PP#1 with the right shoulder.

I think that sentence from 10-19-C refers to the use of Accumulator #1. That's not a 4-2-3 Triple Barrel Swing.

You can add acceleration to the Primary Lever Assembly with the Right Arm (Accumulator #1) - as long as you don't actuate the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Club) with the Right Arm, as long as you don't drive the Club with the Right Arm, the Secondary Lever Assembly is still being pulled longitudinally by the Left Arm, and it's still a Swing.

Since #1 is used, does it become 4 barrel? And since 4 Barrel is a hitting procedure, it becomes 4 barrel hitting?

Or it means using #1 passively (not actively for straightening the right arm), it still a 3 barrel therefore swinging?

Par71 01-31-2014 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Daryti (Post 95568)
Since #1 is used, does it become 4 barrel? And since 4 Barrel is a hitting procedure, it becomes 4 barrel hitting?

Or it means using #1 passively (not actively for straightening the right arm), it still a 3 barrel therefore swinging?

4 Barrel is not necessarily Hitting. A Swinging Procedure can also be 4 Barrel. Homer Kelley had a sample pattern for a 4 Barrel Swinging Procedure in the 3rd edition of the book.

Accumulator #1 participation in a 4 Barrel Swing is active direct drive at PP#1. That's what the "except per 2-M-3" at the end of 10-11-0-1 tries to express.

coophitter 04-03-2014 11:24 PM

right triceps active in both
 
The right triceps is active in Hitting and Swinging in humans. Kelley referenced purely mechanical models. The human difference occurs per Kelley's description of drive vs. drag loading. Those two terms describe phenomena that are not similar in nature. An example of the difference would be bashing a tetherball in the opposite direction that its coming at you (drive loading) or quickly pushing it in the direction that its already going (drag loading). There is no switting unless you are fast enough to give that tetherball a full bash in the same direction that it is already moving.

MizunoJoe 04-04-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by coophitter (Post 95762)
The right triceps is active in Hitting and Swinging in humans. Kelley referenced purely mechanical models. The human difference occurs per Kelley's description of drive vs. drag loading. Those two terms describe phenomena that are not similar in nature. An example of the difference would be bashing a tetherball in the opposite direction that its coming at you (drive loading) or quickly pushing it in the direction that its already going (drag loading). There is no switting unless you are fast enough to give that tetherball a full bash in the same direction that it is already moving.

coophitter, would you be willing to describe the pattern Tom Tomasello gave you, in which the arm muscles were used to try to bury the hosel into the ground to the right of your right foot?

coophitter 04-04-2014 11:12 PM

That's pretty much what he told me to do but he was a bit more specific in that he said to throw the club down from the top by uncocking my right forearm without altering the pose of my body.


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