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curtisj76 03-31-2008 06:23 PM

I think the fog is clearing...
 
I've been trying to figure out one of the most over asked questions (at least it seems). Am I a swinger or a hitter? My problem is that I feel both. I have a good "swing" but I have no true swinging sensation or a true hit. Just confusing myself more and more until I read this from another post:

"What Tom (tomasello) taught was not a hitting action...it's a swinging action with right arm acceleration....two different animals. It's one smooth motion....not two. The right forearm accelerates the club down with an even rhythm....that's why the golfers who understand how works produce smooth golf swings, yet powerful golf swings."

This describes my swing the best so far. I feel like I'm pushing and pulling with horizontal hinging. Is this switting? I've searched some on switting but can't find much. Thanks for any comments.

6bmike 03-31-2008 11:12 PM

What do you mean by two unsmooth motions?

curtisj76 03-31-2008 11:59 PM

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? The quote was from another member I happened to stumble across. Basically it feels like I swing but with a lot of power from my right side as well. Seeing the post made some sense, at least to me. Didn't know if this was considered "switting"? Thanks

6bmike 04-01-2008 02:59 AM

Switting is mixing swing and hit stroke componenets into a stroke pattern.


It is not unusual for a swinger to feel power from the right side. A strong pivot train via a powerful right shoulder thrust against Accum#4 is pure right side power. Driving the right arm against pressure points of the hands doesn't make a swinger a hitter or switter. An inert right arm is not a motionless arm just not the primary power package source.

What releases your clubhead? Does it whirl from throw-out? Or pushed with the shaft. You can not push throw-out and expect more power. You can throw-out and drive a right arm against PP1 & 3 as it straightens into follow through. The right arm is always driving with the pivot train. A right arm swing is not a push just a swing where the right elbow is the swing center not the left shoulder but still throws-out the clubhead.

BlackjackNY 04-01-2008 08:24 AM

Curtis,
Where does your backswing end?

curtisj76 04-01-2008 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackjackNY (Post 51742)
Curtis,
Where does your backswing end?

Top of my shoulder, almost the exact height if you drew a line. If it helps, I don't turn my shoulders much. Try to keep head centered. RFT

Thanks!

curtisj76 04-01-2008 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike (Post 51741)
Switting is mixing swing and hit stroke componenets into a stroke pattern.


It is not unusual for a swinger to feel power from the right side. A strong pivot train via a powerful right shoulder thrust against Accum#4 is pure right side power. Driving the right arm against pressure points of the hands doesn't make a swinger a hitter or switter. An inert right arm is not a motionless arm just not the primary power package source.

What releases your clubhead? Does it whirl from throw-out? Or pushed with the shaft. You can not push throw-out and expect more power. You can throw-out and drive a right arm against PP1 & 3 as it straightens into follow through. The right arm is always driving with the pivot train. A right arm swing is not a push just a swing where the right elbow is the swing center not the left shoulder but still throws-out the clubhead.

Thanks for the response, so is switting a bad thing? Or is it the best of both worlds?

Yoda 04-01-2008 10:38 AM

Push Or Pull
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by curtisj76 (Post 51745)
. . . so is switting a bad thing? Or is it the best of both worlds?

Hitting and Swinging do not mix.

:naughty:

From Release, Hitting uses Muscular Thrust against Pressure Point #1 or #3 or both (10-11-0-1/3) to drive the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club) through Impact. In contrast, Swinging uses Centrifugal Force against Pressure Point #2 (10-11-0-2). In both cases, the Force is exerted On Plane (1-L #10) and moves the Club in a circle (1-L #9).

The respective Pressures must be applied so as not to cause the Club to swing forward of the Left Arm (a Horizontal Motion per 4-A-2). Compliance with this dictate (1-L #8 ) produces the Flat Left Wrist -- Visual or Geometric -- and is the First Imperative of the Stroke.

:golf:

6bmike 04-01-2008 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by curtisj76 (Post 51745)
Thanks for the response, so is switting a bad thing? Or is it the best of both worlds?

Yes to what Lynn wrote.

Switting will put most of us in a condo in Hackerville. But if you own a PGA Tour card and have God given Golf talent- Switting could work. But Tour guys could beat us with racks and shovels. One guy won 18 majorsw as a switter. Jack swung with Hitter componenets- at least I see it that way.


Homer figured a Nicklaus we aren't so he wrote the book that should have been written decades ago. His god given talent.


btw curtis- that fog lifts and settles all the time. Just when you think you see the swamp line, the fog drops in again. But its the fog that teaches. You play when it lifts

BlackjackNY 04-01-2008 11:21 PM

Congrats!
 
Then you're(probably) the rarest of the breed, a Hitter! Rejoice, and learn, and watch Ted's motion over and over in the videos. He is the Chosen One amongst Hitters....:laughing9


Quote:

Originally Posted by curtisj76 (Post 51744)
Top of my shoulder, almost the exact height if you drew a line. If it helps, I don't turn my shoulders much. Try to keep head centered. RFT

Thanks!



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