Forearm on the same plane of shaft
 

Does a swinger have the right or left forearm on the same plane of the shaft at impact?

Sorry, about this question but I can't find the answer.

Left Forearm - Right Forearm Clubshaft Alignments
 

With the Club secured under the heel of the Left Hand and with a Level Left Wrist (that is, neither Cocked or Uncocked) -- Hitting or Swinging -- the Club can never be 'in line' with the Left Forearm until Full Extension (Left Wrist Uncocked / Perpendicular Motion). Therefore, until that point in the Stroke -- immediately past Impact -- it can never be 'in line' (Perpendicularly) with the Clubshaft.

The Right Forearm is another story. Here, with the Left Wrist Level and the Club held towards the 'cup' of the Right Hand (which covers the Left Hand Thumb), the Right Forearm is 'in line' with the Clubshaft. This in-line condition (the Right Forearm Flying Wedge) is held throughout the Stroke.

At Address, Release and Impact, the Right Elbow (and thus, the Forearm) is in the Inclined Plane of Motion of the Clubshaft (actually, the Plane of the orbiting Sweetspot). At other points, e.g., the Backstroke, Top, Start Down and Downstroke, the Right Forearm supports that Clubshaft/Sweetspot Plane. All while maintaining its original 'in-line condition' of the Right Forearm and Clubshaft.

All of which is more easily expertly demonstrated than expertly explained in text.

The ultimate solution is to come see me.

Or . . .

A Lynn Blake Certified Instructor.

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Thank you Lynn.

If you were going to build the most mechanically sound stroke would you advocate getting the right forearm and shaft on the plane of the right forearm as soon as possible then just be able to rotate through the shot, I guess like Lee Trevino does?

Here is an impact photo for Duval and Trevino

Differentiating the Plane of the RFFW and the Plane of the Orbiting Sweetspot
 

By definition, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge ("RFFW") always exhibits the Horizontal in-line condition of the Right Elbow, Forearm and Clubshaft (6-B-3-0-1). However, that does not mean that the RFFW always lies in the Inclined Plane of Motion of the orbiting Sweetspot. In other words, the elements of the RFFW -- Elbow, Forearm and Clubshaft -- lie in its own Plane, and this alignment may or may not be coincident with the Inclined Plane of the Golf Stroke.

Indeed, the RFFW leaves the Inclined Plane (even the Elbow Plane / 10-6-A) after Start Up and returns to that Plane only at Release (8-9; 12-3/Section 9 #35). Any attempt to return the Forearm sooner would result in a very "ungolf-like" Motion.

Which, of course, is always improper Execution (3-F-6).

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How far Bent is Bent?
 

I'm guilty, in the past, of over-bending the Right Wrist which has led to a lot of strikes with an under-Plane Clubhead. The Primary Lever is King, and the Right Wrist should only Bend enough to create the Power Package Structure.

For setup, Impact Fix should determine the correct amount of bend while the Primary Lever forms a straight line. Right Wrist Bend is determined by a combination of factors such as the amount of Elbow bend at Impact (how far the Right Shoulder traveled Down-Plane) and Ball Position. However, I think, that a Swing having a good amount of Lag and right Elbow Bend will have more Right Wrist Bend at Impact. But none of this should affect the Primary Lever.

Use the Primary Lever as a guide. Think of the "amount of Right Wrist Bend" as adjusting to the amount of Right Elbow Bend, ball location and Right Shoulder Location at Impact.

If Right Wrist Bend is not accommodating then the Primary Lever will suffer. The Impact Swivel is caused by CF alone but CF cannot Swivel a Bent Lever.

The 10-2-B Grip creates the Flat Left Wrist and Bent Right Wrist. There isn't much need to do more than that.

Unless you're Innercityteacher, then you must bend the hell out of the right wrist. :naughty:

Since I have "really" bent my right wrist...
 

...and traced the BLP with my right forearm, my highest 9 has been a 44 on a par 35 once and my short irons are exactly where I aim them. I shot an 83 today, in a rain storm.

However, I do not know why I am still snap hooking some drives. Some drives I crush but push, some I snap, and sometimes I hit the gradual epic sweeping draw.

Ok, My drives are costing me and making me do really inventive scrambling since I have been "really bending my right wrist." But my irons and hybrids are awesome as is my 2 wood.

Ok, I'm open to suggestions! :(

Help!?

Are you saying that ball position that's more to the middle will "naturally" accept a "really bent right wrist while a driver needs less bent right wrist and more pivot?

I'm shooting par this year boys ON PURPOSE!

Congrats on the 83.

Generally, the shorter irons won't smoke out the problem like long irons and the Driver.


Are you saying that ball position that's more to the middle will "naturally" accept a "really bent right wrist while a driver needs less bent right wrist and more pivot?

Yes. But Impact Fix will show that better than I can say it.

Ya know, a few things might be causing the Clubface to close inconsistently.

The easiest one to uncover is the "overly Bent Right Wrist". This makes it very difficult for CF to square the Clubface for Impact. The "Tally" can show that an overly bent right wrist also puts the "Swingle" out of line with the "Handle" (arching the left wrist). As it goes up, it will come down.

Call me crazy but I've been reading your posts for quite sometime. I don't think that your problems are zone 2 or 3.

Here's my two cents.

One only needs a good zone 2&3 to play 80's golf but one needs a great Zone 1 to shoot 70.

I would never call you crazy, Daryl.
 

You know, I read this forum a lot. I found this a couple of weeks ago from Yoda and since he's very good at this stuff, I tried it, or I tried to interpret it:

Great post, Chuck!

Guys, we're talking 12-5-2 here, from Fix per 7-3.

Hips and Weight Left. Virtually no Pivot.

Flat Left Wrist and Bent Right.

Left Thumb and No. 3 Pressure Point dead behind the Shaft.

On Plane Right Forearm and Forward leaning Shaft.

Right Elbow Bend Start Up.

Load the Lag at the Top, then...

Drive it all the way DOWN to Both Arms Straight (8-11).

Vary your Hinge Action and Rhythm (2-G and 6-B-3-0) for the Shot at hand.


Watch any tape with Lee Trevino and a wedge and you've got this shot. It's pureRight Forearm / Elbow Magic with Sustained Lag Pressure to Both Arms Straight.

Hit 1,000 of these babies before you play your next round. Then send Chuck yourcheck.


So this works but it has limitations. Kevin and Gerry got me to flare my left foot out so I could pivot more easily. The damn problem is that my left leg was surgically broken and reset to make me walk with my foot forward not bent out to my left. My left foot can only flare a little and sort of "sneaks back" to straight ahead.

So I need a pivot? Hmmm? What if I stay aligned left? I read the "Lean and Load" article and that person speaks about lining up slightly closed to balance the pivot. Anyway, more pivot and pivot research and practice!

Onward! Thanks Daryl.

Well, I won't get in the way of Kevin or Gerry but I'm in the school of thought that the Left Foot may be flared only ever so slightly, if at all. Only a touch but the Right foot should be straight.

About a month ago you wrote one of the best thoughts I've ever read about the pivot. You said that sometimes you feel like you get "lost on the Right Side". WOW, that's monumental (I'm thinking about getting that stitched into the side of my Golf Bag). I took that to mean that you had difficulty using your Pivot to start the downswing (among other things). Well. you can't start the Downstroke with the Pivot if you get "lost on the Right Side".

The McDonald drills are perfect for teaching the Pivot. The Hula-Hula is much more than flexibility or keeping separate identities of the Shoulders and Hips.

Do the step in place marching drill. Watch the knees bend and straighten and as they do, the hips go back and forth, away from and then toward the target line. The Shoulders go up and down. The Shoulders and Hips coordinate but have separate identities and separate geometry . Hip Action isn't the Hips simply pulling the Shoulders, it's the Hips ability to DRIVE the Shoulders Up-Plane or Down-Plane..

Did you see that recent video where Lynn Blake was demonstrating TGM to some pro's? Remember the walking and swinging drill. When they walked forward while swinging the club, did you see them rotate their hips left and right? Not... I think that they thought it was kind of goofy. OMG, they were being handed the keys to the kingdom and they didn't know it. He handed them 100 years of wisdom in 15 seconds. They wouldn't discover that on their own in a lifetime of effort.

Most golfers view the pivot as the hips turning to the right and the shoulders turning to the right and then reverse the motion for the Downstroke. This couldn't be farther from the truth. With that point of view, the Pivot will never bring the Hands into release on the Turned Shoulder Plane. In fact, I'll state that no-one can get their hands to a snap release location on the turned shoulder plane with that kind of pivot. With these rotational type pivots, the Elbow Plane is the best that you're going to do.