Accumulator 3 Question
 

If one "zero's" out the #3 Accumulator by raising the grip into the cup of the Left Hand, does the #3 Accumulator Action still function normally?

Imo
I dont think so.
my definition of accum #3 is the rolling of the left arm accentuated by the left shoulder turn. This is passively felt at PP#3.

When the angle between the club and left hand is zero, I feel no transfer of power at PP#3 simply because as hard as i might roll the arm it does not rotate the clubface.

Holding the club along the lifeline of the palm makes it very difficult if not impossible to rotate that clubface.

This has been a source of debate in older posts.

Not So 'Zeroed' #3
 

Yes and no.

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Yes, in that there is still a definite 'Overtaking Action' (of the Hands by the Clubhead) as driven -- actively (Hitting) or passively (swinging) -- by the straightening Right Arm.

No, in that all three Hinge Actions -- Horizontal, Angled and Vertical -- now have the identical Rhythm, i.e., the same Clubhead Travel through Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (Right Arm straight).

:salut:

Is the following quote where we find our perspective on this matter?

So, regardless of the Power it produces, including Zero, then there is still a "Motion" of the #3.

So then, the Accumulator, or the Amount of "overtaking Travel" is the Left Hand/Shaft Alignment, and the Right Hand remains “Clubface Control,” “Rhythm Control,” and “Roll Power Control” of the Right Elbow?

So, may I interpret that you are saying that the #3 “Clubface Control,” “Rhythm Control,” and “Roll Power Control” of the Right Elbow,,, is the Straightening Right Arm?

It seems to be, that "Roll Power" applies to both Swingers and Hitters. If it applied to only Hitters, then HK would have used the term "Roll Force".

Swingers using "Extensor Action" are "Actively" straightening their Right Arms, although it's Non-Accelerating.

That clears a lot of fog.

Hmm? Here's a clincher:

Daryl,
Before you put too much thought into this - let's keep it simple.
No, it doesn't function "normally".
#1 it goes from supplying power (assuming #3 pressure point has some pressure)to providing no power (regardless of the amount of number 3 pressure point pressure).
#2 There is no "overtaking action" when you have a zeroed out number three accumulator - the clubhead doesn't move when you twist your left hand in place with a zero number three accumulator. You need some #3 accumulator to have an "overtaking action". See 6-B-3-A last sentence. Lynn knows this - he was probably thinking of a different context when he originally posted to your question.

Just trying to save your sanity.:)

Mike, I understand what you're saying and it makes perfect sense to me. I'm more than satisfied with yours and Yoda's answers.

I think that we all see it the same way. That although the amount of power generated by the #3 Accumulator is the Left Hand/Clubshaft Angle, the motion of the Right Hand Paddle Wheel and the Straightening Right Arm, which controls that Power, is still present. It still exists.

Let me keep my posts clear - my first post answered your first post of this thread - your question - nothing more. I consider your post above - bringing a whole new question/ subject matter to the topic. I certainly don't see [I]"the motion of the Right Hand Paddle Wheel and the Straightening Right Arm, which controls that Power, is still present.[/I] as my viewpoint.

Mike, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. If I ever do, I would make you say: "Hey Bucket, for the last time, put down that Goat".

The Amount of Travel is Left Hand/Clubshaft Adjustment and "Active or Passive, the straightening Right Elbow with its Paddlewheel Action, powers, guides, and regulates the #3 Accumulator Motion". So, it seems to me that as long as the Right Arm is Straightening with its Paddlewheel Action, then the mechanism for powering, guiding, and regulating the #3 Accumulator Motion, is still present in the Golf Swing.

With a Stationary Pivot, Basic Motion, Back and Forth and Zero #3 Accumulator, the Clubface is Opening and Closing to the Plane Line. That's Left Arm Primary Lever for sure, but its guided and regulated by the "Straightening of the Right Arm with its Paddlewheel Action". No?

Absolutely.