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Old 09-10-2010, 05:25 AM
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In my book (2006 edition) there is made a change (with a pen).
#10 Hinge Action (page 125) is move from Zone #2 to Zone #3 (page 131). Is this correct?

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http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread3036.html

Remember Mike O.? Man, that guy was insightful. Who was that guy? Some say he uncovered Yoda. Pulled him out of cryogenic sleep chamber or something. Winter's coming maybe he'll start posting again.

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Old 09-12-2010, 03:01 PM
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I have only been here a month, so I don't know so many here. I hope I don't say anything wrong when I "uncover" that I bought the book from Ben Doyle and he has done this correction in my book himself.
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Old 09-12-2010, 03:41 PM
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I have only been here a month, so I don't know so many here. I hope I don't say anything wrong when I "uncover" that I bought the book from Ben Doyle and he has done this correction in my book himself.
Interesting. Thanks.
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Old 09-12-2010, 08:49 PM
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With due respect to the rationale I presented in my Post #5 in this thread http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread3036.html, I teach Hinge Action as a Zone #3 Component -- as it was for each of the six editions published during Homer Kelley's lifetime. Further, I make the change in every 7th edition that comes my way.

Those owning the 7th who would put leave Hinge Action in Zone #2 have several important edits to make in Chapters 9, 10 and 11.

Or, live with unresolved conflict.

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Old 09-13-2010, 05:19 AM
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It is very convincing to have authorities like Ben Doyle and Lynn Blake joining forces in this correction on this point in the last edition.
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It is very convincing to have authorities like Ben Doyle and Lynn Blake joining forces in this correction on this point in the last edition.
Even more convincing is the book itself.
From 9-0 in Chapter Nine (Three Zones):

Zone #3 is defined as Ball Control

"And any Hinge Action is Ball Control (Zone #3)."
From 2-B Trajectory Control:

"Clubface Loft (2-C-1) and Hinge Action (2-D) determine altitude and backspin and are the basic elements of Ball Control. Also study 9-3." [Note: 9-3 is Zone #3).
From 7-10 Hinge Actions:

Subtitle is "Ball Behavior"
Again from 9-0: Zone #3 is defined using three interchangeable terms. One of these is "Hands". In fact, the subtitle under the title Zone #3 in 9-3 is The "Hands" Lane. Given these facts, it's tough to see any other place for Hinge Action when you read this opening sentence in 7-10:

"Hinge Actions describe and control the manipulation of the Hands through the Impact Interval."
From 10-10 Hinge Actions (Hinging):

Subtitle is Ball Control.
Still again from 9-0:

Another interchangeable term used to define Zone #3 is "Direction". With this in mind, consider 2-G Hinge Motion:

"Direction Control (2-D) means Clubface alignment control. [The two Clubface] motions actually duplicate the three possible hinge mountings: horizontal, vertical and angled . . . "


The above references are merely the tip of the iceberg. Quite a number of additional conflicts exist -- either specifically stated or implied in the various chapters -- when Hinge Action Component is moved arbitrarily from Zone 3 (Ball Control) to Zone #2 (Club Control) [Note: the listed interchangeable terms for Zone #2 are Arms, Force and Power.] Not exactly the "finesse basis" mandate for Zone #3 activities.]

In a prior post (see #5 above), I provided the only rationale for including Hinge Action as a Zone #2 Component. If one accepts that rationale -- I personally do not -- I think we can all agree that substantial editorial work is required to put the 7th edition right.

An immediate and far simpler solution is to take a pen, go to 9-2 and cross out Component #10. Then, go to 9-3 and add it in.

Voila . . . No problem!

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Even more convincing is the book itself.
From 9-0 in Chapter Nine (Three Zones):

Zone #3 is defined as Ball Control

"And any Hinge Action is Ball Control (Zone #3)."
From 2-B Trajectory Control:

"Clubface Loft (2-C-1) and Hinge Action (2-D) determine altitude and backspin and are the basic elements of Ball Control. Also study 9-3." [Note: 9-3 is Zone #3).
From 7-10 Hinge Actions:

Subtitle is "Ball Behavior"
Again from 9-0: Zone #3 is defined using three interchangeable terms. One of these is "Hands". In fact, the subtitle under the title Zone #3 in 9-3 is The "Hands" Lane. Given these facts, it's tough to see any other place for Hinge Action when you read this opening sentence in 7-10:

"Hinge Actions describe and control the manipulation of the Hands through the Impact Interval."
From 10-10 Hinge Actions (Hinging):

Subtitle is Ball Control.
Still again from 9-0:

Another interchangeable term used to define Zone #3 is "Direction". With this in mind, consider 2-G Hinge Motion:

"Direction Control (2-D) means Clubface alignment control. [The two Clubface] motions actually duplicate the three possible hinge mountings: horizontal, vertical and angled . . . "


The above references are merely the tip of the iceberg. Quite a number of additional conflicts exist -- either specifically stated or implied in the various chapters -- when Hinge Action Component is moved arbitrarily from Zone 3 (Ball Control) to Zone #2 (Club Control) [Note: the listed interchangeable terms for Zone #2 are Arms, Force and Power.] Not exactly the "finesse basis" mandate for Zone #3 activities.]

In a prior post (see #5 above), I provided the only rationale for including Hinge Action as a Zone #2 Component. If one accepts that rationale -- I personally do not -- I think we can all agree that substantial editorial work is required to put the 7th edition right.

An immediate and far simpler solution is to take a pen, go to 9-2 and cross out Component #10. Then, go to 9-3 and add it in.

Voila . . . No problem!

But Hinge Action when executed correctly influences distance = Power. Take the extremes of Horizontal hinge action versus Vertical. Huge distance/power difference.

I believe at this point Joe Daniels would have to provide details on errors between the 7th edition manuscript and the actual printed copy of the 7th edition. Unless someone else has a copy of the 7th edition manuscript.

DG

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But Hinge Action when executed correctly influences distance = Power. Take the extremes of Horizontal hinge action versus Vertical. Huge distance/power difference.


Granted: The Closing Only Clubface -- a Hinge Action per 2-G and 7-10 -- translates into Maximum Compression. But, that fact doesn't put the Clubface alignment -- Zone #3 (Ball Control / Hands) -- into the Clubhead's Zone #2 (Club Control / Arms).

From the other side of the 'family' coin, Throwaway of Zone #2 Power destroys the Clubhead Orbit and, hence, Zone #3 On Plane Clubshaft Control and Hinge Action Clubface Control. But, that consequence doesn't rob the Hands of their Zone #3 Directional identity and relegate them to the Arms Power Zone.

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I believe at this point Joe Daniels would have to provide details on errors between the 7th edition manuscript and the actual printed copy of the 7th edition. Unless someone else has a copy of the 7th edition manuscript.


There is but one detail to be provided:

Why was Hinge Action moved to Zone #2?

No doubt the answer is "Because Homer said so".

Accepting that as a satisfactory answer -- -- then why were the many then necessary editorial revisions not made? Said another way, why were the many obvious conflicts left unresolved? No doubt the answer to these questions is "Because Homer didn't make them".

Understood.

But then, Homer also didn't plan on dying that fateful day in Macon, Georgia, either. Nor did he plan on his preliminary revisions being posthumously published 'as is' 23 years later. No doubt he would have expected thinking people to make thoughtful decisions. Alas, 'twas not to be.

New readers may think this is 'Monday morning quarterbacking', but that is not the case. I received a copy of the proposed revisions more than a year before their publication and brought this specific issue (among others) to the public attention in these Forums. The publisher either didn't read my concerns or didn't care.

Whatever, the end result is a travesty.

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I'm now moving this thread to a Forum previously established for discussion regarding 7th edition changes.

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