Role of The Pivot
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09-22-2005, 04:30 PM
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Being a bit too politically correct
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Originally Posted by Mike O
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Finally, every now and then I make some basic disclosures for clarification purposes.
1) I'm always open for interpretation or correction- no one's perfect.
2) I'm always giving only my viewpoint, not necessarily "THE GOLFING MACHINE VIEWPOINT"- and I'm always trying to be precise in the terms and help you or others understand the concepts of the Golfing Machine as I see them. That precision/clarification/viewpoint could be interpreted as nitpicky (yes), cocky (not the intent), or attacking (not the intent). I've been around enough that I think most to everyone understands that- but when you're not in person with someone - one on one- and you're using the forum to correct other peoples concepts, based on your viewpoint- it can get a little awkward. I've always approached it as if I was on the otherside and with my personality I would disregard any perceived issues and really appreciate the "direction". That said Tongzilla, as someone alluded to earlier in this thread- you are doing a nice job of picking up the concepts - a lot of progress!
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You are so damn funny Mike  .
I am just here to learn, and sometimes explaining concepts to other people help speed up that process. Plus it feels good when people go "aha, I get it now!".
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09-22-2005, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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I am just here to learn, and sometimes explaining concepts to other people help speed up that process. Plus it feels good when people go "aha, I get it now!".
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"We teach what we want to learn."
-- Kahil Gibran
"To teach is to learn twice."
-- Joseph Joubert
"Who dares to teach must never cease to learn."
-- John Cotton Dana
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09-22-2005, 11:49 PM
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09-23-2005, 12:06 AM
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I was beating balls out of the dirt today and thinking about the time old TGM question- Is it the Pivot or the Hands? Since I am working on my hip action- my pivot sensation is truly heightened. Oddly, when I perform the pivot just right, it disappears and I can only sense my left arm’s rhythm and swivel.
I think that as neophytes we get hammered with the phrase, “Hands controlled Pivot” and never really understand the role of each. Hands train and the pivot works as trained.
The pivot cannot trace the plane line.
The hands and arms cannot shift weight or rotate the hips horizontally.
So....
The hands stay on the incline flat swing plane and trace the plane line and the pivot shifts weight, relocates the swing center and clears a lane for the hands to trace into impact.
7-14/7-15 Hula Hula - funny name, but another TGM gem not taught anywhere else.
As they say in New Jersey - Perfect Together.
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09-23-2005, 02:01 AM
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Right now the Yankees are doing the Hula Hula!!!!!!!!!!!
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09-23-2005, 02:10 AM
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I need sleep but wanted to PM you. Is this great or what !!???
As I said, Yankess, White Sox and Indians. No redsux.
Going to Balt next week to watch the Yanks with my son. We will lose our voices.
"sustain the lead"
mike
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09-23-2005, 10:49 AM
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"It aint ova' yet"
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Originally Posted by 6bmike
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I need sleep but wanted to PM you. Is this great or what !!???
As I said, Yankess, White Sox and Indians. No redsux.
Going to Balt next week to watch the Yanks with my son. We will lose our voices.
"sustain the lead"
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Still got time left. Yanks keep up this pace.
It's not over until the fat "Irish Tenor" sings.
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09-23-2005, 12:02 PM
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Sounds like that Irish Tenor is approaching his last verse. That high note is just around the corner!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09-23-2005, 02:30 PM
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Re: Bad English in 2-M-3
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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Originally Posted by Mike O
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Read 2-M-3 again- which is where this quote is from. The statement is directed to the 3 barrel Hitter- i.e. Right Arm Thrust - Accumulator #1 and then to make it a 4 barrel Hitting procedure you need to add the Pivot Thrust on the downstroke or as he puts it here "add the Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4", to add the final missing Acc #4 to his pattern.
Mike O.
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Oh yes, that makes sense now. I should've read through Homer's codified English.
2-M-3: "Or to Power Package [Right Arm] Thrust add Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4" [Brackets by tongzilla]
I thought Homer was saying "if you want to have Right Arm Thrust, you need to add Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4". Which confused me. 
So what Homer was actually trying to say was "if you already use Right Arm Thrust (i.e. you're a Hitter), and you want to add Pivot Thrust to achieve the Four Barrel Stroke, then add Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4".
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Just so we don't leave anything hanging- the answer to your last paragraph question would be YES.
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