24 years of golf but only 24 hours of G.O.L.F. !!

[galopin]

A couple of things:

1. While the pros at Address usually have a Bent Left Wrist and their Right Forearm above the Clubshaft (below Plane), at Impact their Left Wrists are Flat or Arched and their Right Forearm is in-line with the Clubshaft.

2. You're right, the pros don't go into Impact Fix and verifty their Alignments (Flat Left Wrist; On Plane Right Forearm; Left Shoulder much higher than Right Shoulder; Clubface position reltive to the Angle of Approach for the Hinge Action they plan to use;...etc.). They start at Adjusted Address, which is in the book. And yes, at Adjusted Address, the Left Wrist is Bent, the Right Forearm isn't On Plane (because the Hands drop closer to the ground as you move from Fix to Adjusted Address), and the Shoulders are more level than their position at Impact Fix. Oh, and the Clubface closes as you move from Fix to AA, too.

It is your choice as to whether you want to begin Start Up from Impact Fix, modified Impact Fix, or Adjusted Address. Starting from Adjusted Address has its advantages for Swingers (most pros are Swingers, which is why you see so many of them use Adjusted Address); Hitters should start from a modified Impact Fix (Flat Left Wrist) with their Hips pre-closed.

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General Observation Based On Pro Golfers And NOT A Criticism Of Your Question!

Personally, I don't care what the pros do. I believe that they are basically idiot savants who are born with the gift of Educated Hands which can easily compensate for some of the crazy stuff they do. As Chuck Evans says, "They're skilled hand manipulators." Consequently, I don't find much value in imitating what they do, since my Hands aren't as educated as theirs.

[galopin]

Bulldog,

In the future, I think you will get more reponses to your posts if you can figure out a way to make them more concise.

[ChrisNZ]

Bulldog,

For a pro 'TGM-model', could I suggest you take a look at Joe Durant. He is coached by Ron Gring, who is TGM trained and has excellent ballstriking stats (very near the top of PGA players), a very nice simple swing, and a right forearm that is onplane (or very close to it) at address. I think a video can be found of him at a site called golfswing.com (which looks a bit dodgy by the way, but has some nice swing videos).

Kind regards,
Chris

[galopin]

One last thing: According to Chuck Evans, Ben Hogan and Mo Norman--two of the best ballstrikers ever--had the least amount of change in the angle of the Clubshaft from Address to Impact that he has measured on video.

[Trig]

I have gone through phases of Hitting and Swinging this year and have settled on Swinging as my preferred method.

When hitting, I set up at impact fix with my right forearm on-plane.

When swinging, I set up at adjusted address after getting my head position by checking impact fix fist. Going to adjusted address is simply relaxing my arms after checking impact fix. I then have a bent left wrist, flat right wrist at address and my right forearm is slightly below plane due to my adding a bit more #3 accumulator when I relax into adjusted address.

Note: My head does not move when I go from impact fix to adjusted address. And whether hitting or swinging, my left wrist is flat and my right forearm is on plane at impact.

Regarding Faxon vs Goosen: Faxon is slightly more accurate but Goosen outdives him by 20yds. However, neither are super accurate at 138th and 157th respectively.

[teach]

Trig,

With regard to your statement,"... my right forearm is slightly below plane due to my adding a bit more #3 accumulator when I relax into adjusted address.", I have some questions.

1. Can you explain what you mean by your right forearm being "below plane?" To which plane are you referring? Does this mean that your right arm is below the shaft at address?
2. What does it mean to add more #3 acumulator? I just looked in the book, and don't understand Homer's explanation or what it is that you do.
3. Perhaps more importantly, I don't see how my right forearm could possibly be "on plane" (in line?) with the shaft at adjusted address. I just tried this with my sand wedge. At adjusted address,my hands and the the butt of the shaft are on my left thigh and the club face is behind my right foot. My right forearm is most definitely not on plane with the shaft; rather my forearm is at an angle of approximately 60 degrees to the shaft. How could I possibly get my right forearm in line with the shaft without destroying my flying wedges?
4. Am I simply incorrect as to what "on plane" means?
5. Am I correct that the "flying wedges" refer to the angle between the arms and the shaft?

Thank you very much.

teach
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[Trig]

Trig,

With regard to your statement,"... my right forearm is slightly below plane due to my adding a bit more #3 accumulator when I relax into adjusted address.", I have some questions.

1. Can you explain what you mean by your right forearm being "below plane?" To which plane are you referring? Does this mean that your right arm is below the shaft at address?
2. What does it mean to add more #3 acumulator? I just looked in the book, and don't understand Homer's explanation or what it is that you do.
3. Perhaps more importantly, I don't see how my right forearm could possibly be "on plane" (in line?) with the shaft at adjusted address. I just tried this with my sand wedge. At adjusted address,my hands and the the butt of the shaft are on my left thigh and the club face is behind my right foot. My right forearm is most definitely not on plane with the shaft; rather my forearm is at an angle of approximately 60 degrees to the shaft. How could I possibly get my right forearm in line with the shaft without destroying my flying wedges?
4. Am I simply incorrect as to what "on plane" means?
5. Am I correct that the "flying wedges" refer to the angle between the arms and the shaft?

Thank you very much.

teach
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Here's my best effort at answering your questions:

1. Slightly below plane, meaning not exactly inline with the shaft, but instead the arm just slightly lower - I checked my mirror tonight and it's only very slightly below plane when at adjusted address.

2. I mis-spoke and meant to say #2, accumulator - which is the amount of cock in your left wrist. When I go to adjusted address I get a tad more than I have than when starting at impact fix. I think to be text-book, one would not allow this to happen and one would maintain the Level condition of the left wrist, even at adjusted address. As Yoda recently told me, TGM is a "high hands system", not a "low hands system".

3. Ideally your right forearm will be on-plane with the shaft both at address and at impact. Impact being the most important one. Check out the gallery and watch the video called "Right Forearm, Holies and Polies". Yoda gives the student (which happens to be me in the video) a lesson on how to get the right forearm on plane at address. You can see the on-plane position from behind and it doesn't matter how much your right wrist is bent. A front view you would see the wedges intact as you mention.

4. I hope the above clears up what "on plane" means when we are talking about the right forearm.

5. Do Forum search on Flying Wedges and you will find some great explanations. I think of it as maintaining a bent right wrist, flat left wrist throughout the downstroke, impact, and into follow through.

Again, go to the Forum Archives and search for some of these topics and you will find a load of information.

[6bmike]

Trig,


5. Am I correct that the "flying wedges" refer to the angle between the arms and the shaft?

Thank you very much.

teach

A lot of questions- that’s good !! I'll take number five:

The FWs are formed by the flat left wrist which ONLY moves up & down- vertically. It is acc#2 and acc#3. The is the Left Arm Flying Wedge. And by the bent right wrist which can only move Horizontally, never vertically and is called the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. Put them together on the club and you have G.O.L.F.

Check out how Acc#2 and 3 work in the “Are you Ready to Roll” video clip (sorry guys I do love that clip- FogBuster 101).