On Line Uncocking And Rolling And Thrust

[Yoda]

MizunoJoe wrote:

Yoda, There are pros(Rich Beem, Tom Watson) who have lost all of #3 at impact, i.e., if looking at the player from the target, at impact, the left arm and shaft are in a straight line. And they start with a substantial #3. The left wrist does NOT appear to be level at impact, but fully uncocked. As an extreme case, a "Single-Axis" player has no #3, and therefore ends up at impact with an uncocked left wrist and not level. My point is that with a non-zero #3 there will be "throw-out" of the clubhead, if #3 is not zeroed out by impact, and thus, the aiming point must be on a line inside the plane line. By eliminating #3 at address(Couples) or by the time impact occurs(Beem), throwout is nullified. For the view of Beem at impact go to www.golfdigest.com/instruction/swingsequences/. For a player with #3 intact at impact, see Notah Begay at the above sight. I don't see how my feeling clubhead lag, or not, is relevant, however, I can feel it either way, as do I'm sure, the pro examples. The problem for me here, is that throwout moves the shaft to a shallower plane at impact, and the plane line moves suddenly from one which is inside the ball to one which passes through the ball. <<<<<<<<<<<< ...........................\...................... ....<-- Target direction ............................<<<<<<<<<<<< This is the player's view as he swings. The arrows are the clubhead plane intersection on the ground. "\" is throwout. Ignore the dots, which are for diagram alignment.

 

MizunoJoe wrote:

Yoda, There are pros(Rich Beem, Tom Watson) who have lost all of #3 at impact, i.e., if looking at the player from the target, at impact, the left arm and shaft are in a straight line. And they start with a substantial #3. The left wrist does NOT appear to be level at impact, but fully uncocked. As an extreme case, a "Single-Axis" player has no #3, and therefore ends up at impact with an uncocked left wrist and not level. My point is that with a non-zero #3 there will be "throw-out" of the clubhead, if #3 is not zeroed out by impact, and thus, the aiming point must be on a line inside the plane line. By eliminating #3 at address(Couples) or by the time impact occurs(Beem), throwout is nullified. For the view of Beem at impact go to www.golfdigest.com/instruction/swingsequences/. For a player with #3 intact at impact, see Notah Begay at the above sight. I don't see how my feeling clubhead lag, or not, is relevant, however, I can feel it either way, as do I'm sure, the pro examples. The problem for me here, is that throwout moves the shaft to a shallower plane at impact, and the plane line moves suddenly from one which is inside the ball to one which passes through the ball. <<<<<<<<<<<< ...........................\...................... ....<-- Target direction ............................<<<<<<<<<<<< This is the player's view as he swings. The arrows are the clubhead plane intersection on the ground. "\" is throwout. Ignore the dots, which are for diagram alignment.

Mizuno Joe,

All Impact Alignments, including any (or Zero) #3 Accumulator Angle, areestablished at Impact Fix (2-J-1). It is this Impact Fix condition thatmust be replicated at actual Impact (1-L #20). And those Alignmentsdetermine the Rhythmic Clubhead Travel and Overtaking (6-B-3-0) per theselected Hinge Action (2-G). Per 2-F, these alignments and actions must complywith the Plane.

And, per 1-L #10 and #11, the Lever Assembly (actually, its Sweet Spotsubstitute per 2-F) must be driven by an On Plane Force moving towardthe Plane Line. Thus, the Aiming and Thrust of the Clubhead Lag via the #3Pressure Point -- whether directed directly at the Ball or at an alternateAiming Point -- must therefore be driven to a Point on the PlaneLine (and not 'inside' it as you have described).

Whether a given player is able to accomplish this ideal is what precision golfis all about. Absent the need for a special effect, the ideal Impact will occurjust prior to Full Extension (2-P). Unfortunately, almost all players --including tour professionals -- come in with their Right Forearm Off Plane tosome degree and are forced to Throw the Club. This can result in Full Extensionat or prior to Impact. If not on all shots, then at least on some shots.Since Full Extension is seldom more than one inch away from Impact, itis not surprising you see Impact photos in which Full Extension has actuallybeen reached at Impact.

The relevance of my 'Do you feel Clubhead Lag' question was this:

I simply cannot understand how anyone who has ever experienced the Load of theClubhead Lag would even begin to think it should be directed Off Plane.

Regardless of the #3 Accumulator Angle -- or lack thereof.