TGM 8th Edition

[KevCarter]

A lot can be said in defense of simplifying the material in TGM. I have struggled many years while being confounded by much of the information. I still find myself struggling over many things.

Your posts, drawings, and work here have been a HUGE help in that area as well Daryl. We don't say THANK YOU enough!

Kevin

[Daryl]

Your posts, drawings, and work here have been a HUGE help in that area as well Daryl. We don't say THANK YOU enough!

Kevin

Thanks Kevin. If I could give back one tenth of what I've learned from Yoda and the members of this website I would feel good about my contributions.

[slicer mcgolf]

I would like to see pictures of players demonstrating the positions/principles and from there perhaps describe where it's going from there. Ideally, a TGM book of patterns would be awesome but I don't see that happening. In it's place... maybe a chapter on Compatible Components.

[O.B.Left]

I would like to see pictures of players demonstrating the positions/principles and from there perhaps describe where it's going from there. Ideally, a TGM book of patterns would be awesome but I don't see that happening. In it's place... maybe a chapter on Compatible Components.

We could do that swing pattern thing right here. With videos and text by the player even. I believe we've probably got ted,jeff and lynns info somewhere.

[gmbtempe]

I would like to see pictures of players demonstrating the positions/principles and from there perhaps describe where it's going from there. Ideally, a TGM book of patterns would be awesome but I don't see that happening. In it's place... maybe a chapter on Compatible Components.

totally agree, I understand the book has millions of patterns but I dont think a video showing what is best to mix and match is anything but good.

I know one of the best moments for my hitting pattern was in AG2 disk 3 when Lynn showed how the right shoulder moves in order to act as a launching pad to drive the right arm, it seems a simple concept but it was easier after seeing that move in detail.

[John Graham]

I think a video or 'chart' for lack of a better word talking about what elements work with other elements would make a nice addition also.

[brianmontgomery2000]

Okay, if this is complete heresy I want to apologize right up front. I remember reading about Bobby Clampett's swing back in the 80's, but have only rediscovered it here in the past spring. I have appreciated Lynn's instructions here and everyone else's posts.

I completely agree with videos and the optimum pattern mixes. That alone would go a very long way toward making it approachable to a broader audience.

I'm going to propose a couple of more radical things -- things I might consider doing if I owned the copyrights. Again, I'm thinking what I'd do to broaden the acceptance (I'm a marketing professional, primarily product development and management, so I'm thinking about what I'd do if my company ever gave me TGM to manage and expand.)

First, I'd offer an 8th Edition that was a complete re-write of the basic book that still keeps the chapter structure and order. I would go back over all previous seven editions, but use the 1st (or Homer's best) as my basis. Like going back to the original Greek for a new translation of the New Testament.

I'd convene a council made up of the most knowledgeable scholars on TGM -- Lynn obviously, and any others. It would be like a new translation of the original text, with new pictures. I would keep the same numbering structure for continuity. This version would also contain commentary about each section (format wise, on the same page like footnotes).

Second, I'd think about offering something like a Living Translation. Keep the same numbering structure, but have it in completely contemporary language. This version may not be needed -- we wouldn't know until we complete the 8th Edition.

Third, I'd look at whether it would make sense to have a version that was not structured in the old way. A true re-structuring of the material based on what's been learned, etc. [Again, if this is heresy, please forgive me. My goal is to make this material as accessible as possible to the broadest audience.] Maybe the re-write of the 8th covers this, but maybe not.

In addition to a new book version or versions, I'd start putting a plan in place for the re-launch. We also need to look at getting more certified instructors across the nation, etc., but the post is just the book!

Sorry for the long post...I guess I could have just said 8th Edition re-written more clearly with lots more pictures, maybe a highly changed version ala a "Living Translation" and maybe a version that is completely reorganized into a different structure. All three coexist and start to have their own future editions.

I would love to see this information as broadly distributed and easily approachable as possible.

[Daryl]

If re-write, photography and illustration costs were say $200K, add Marketing costs, say $50K?. Price and Qty. How many would need to be sold to recoup $250K?

[mb6606]

Okay, if this is complete heresy I want to apologize right up front. I remember reading about Bobby Clampett's swing back in the 80's, but have only rediscovered it here in the past spring. I have appreciated Lynn's instructions here and everyone else's posts.

I completely agree with videos and the optimum pattern mixes. That alone would go a very long way toward making it approachable to a broader audience.

I'm going to propose a couple of more radical things -- things I might consider doing if I owned the copyrights. Again, I'm thinking what I'd do to broaden the acceptance (I'm a marketing professional, primarily product development and management, so I'm thinking about what I'd do if my company ever gave me TGM to manage and expand.)

First, I'd offer an 8th Edition that was a complete re-write of the basic book that still keeps the chapter structure and order. I would go back over all previous seven editions, but use the 1st (or Homer's best) as my basis. Like going back to the original Greek for a new translation of the New Testament.

I'd convene a council made up of the most knowledgeable scholars on TGM -- Lynn obviously, and any others. It would be like a new translation of the original text, with new pictures. I would keep the same numbering structure for continuity. This version would also contain commentary about each section (format wise, on the same page like footnotes).

Second, I'd think about offering something like a Living Translation. Keep the same numbering structure, but have it in completely contemporary language. This version may not be needed -- we wouldn't know until we complete the 8th Edition.

Third, I'd look at whether it would make sense to have a version that was not structured in the old way. A true re-structuring of the material based on what's been learned, etc. [Again, if this is heresy, please forgive me. My goal is to make this material as accessible as possible to the broadest audience.] Maybe the re-write of the 8th covers this, but maybe not.

In addition to a new book version or versions, I'd start putting a plan in place for the re-launch. We also need to look at getting more certified instructors across the nation, etc., but the post is just the book!

Sorry for the long post...I guess I could have just said 8th Edition re-written more clearly with lots more pictures, maybe a highly changed version ala a "Living Translation" and maybe a version that is completely reorganized into a different structure. All three coexist and start to have their own future editions.

I would love to see this information as broadly distributed and easily approachable as possible.

Why bother? Homer stated you only needed to do three things - up the TSP down the TSP and learn a hinge. One could add the stationary head, a lag pressure point, adjusting our intial setup alignments based on the "D plane" science. IMHO Homer's greatest gift was the common language explaining the various concepts allowing for intelligent discussion. Imagine if Homer could have been party to internet forums like this one?

[brianmontgomery2000]

If re-write, photography and illustration costs were say $200K, add Marketing costs, say $50K?. Price and Qty. How many would need to be sold to recoup $250K?

Ah, the business case as to whether we should do it...

To me, it's either a minimal thing -- basic re-write, minimal photography and illustration costs (I think we can keep it well below $200K) -- or a much larger thing where TGM message and methodologies are the core of a larger TGM "empire"...

That last is approaching it strictly as a growth business -- how would I grow it into something to support a small company. The first would be how to make money as more of a cottage industry to me at least.