A Ben Doyle Lesson -- Part III / Ball-Turf...Please

[bantamben1]

isnt it funny how this guy seems eager in his speech about wanting to learn how he wants to learn the right way, but then when ben wants him to just start at a chip he wants to always make a full swing which looks identical to every other one he has made. Its like hes there but hes really not absorbing that well he just wants to jump ahead instead of building up from the chip shot to the pitch etc.. it makes sense top me that if he cant do the small motions he wouldnt be able to do the larger ones but i guess not to him. also the preshot routine he just ditches it after every shot practically, ben shows him like 200 times it shows to me what ive seen before that most people really have a hard time changing there habits it really takes some dedication and it starts one swing at a time

[silvercreek]

don't know if i'd be any better but it is frustrating to watch so many times. i find myself sitting there waiting for the 'ah-ha' moment.....

[Yoda]

don't know if i'd be any better but it is frustrating to watch so many times.

As I said, only an hour in the life of Ben Doyle.

[noproblemos]

are these short pitches and punches supposed to fade a little? or draw?

Thanks

[bantamben1]

do you hit many pitches that fade or draw it seems kinda hard to do if you are doing things correctly and making solid contact. when i do it they go relatively straight

[Matt]

are these short pitches and punches supposed to fade a little? or draw?

Thanks

I would say that the ones that Ben wants you to do would fade if anything. Look at the hinge action you're applying. You are driving down-and-out with a flat left wrist and really exaggerating it...which is the "no roll" feel of angled hinging.

And as we know, angled hinging will impart a slight fade spin onto the ball. But since it's such low velocity, expect straight shots with maybe an occasional fade if you take a longer stroke.

[DOCW3]

<<While Ben is stressing hip action and passive hands>>

Believing that Mr. Kelley's Hitting model did not stress this is what attracted me to TGM.

DRW

[wanole]

Are there a lot of student's this "slow" at understanding what a teacher wants you to try? He took forever and still don't know if he ever even understood how to appoach the ball. I think my 4 yr old could get that faster.

I can understand not getting the feel of what someone is trying to teach you, but he seemed to be off in his own world while Mr. Doyle was telling him what to do. Am I off on this?

It would frustrate me to no end if I was mr. Doyle teaching this guy. He was paying for something, but wasn't really listening.


Just curious, but how as a teacher do you handle students like this? Are student's like him a norm or not?

[Vaako]

I think this guy deserves some more latitude with his efforts. Untill someone posts one of those "It was me"-posts, we shouldn't assume he is a GSED. He may be totally lost w/o any framework or structure where to hang the information Ben Doyle is giving. And this could lead to "confused" behavior we see here.

One thing is certain - it's not easy to produce a dramatic "Aha..." moment on demand in real life.

It looks like Ben is building up several lines towards getting thru later in video. Like talking about the sound of turf contact should make several times - and then quietly going behind him to produce the desired effect after less then optimal try. Should work as a trigger point later, long after the lesson.


I do feel kind of spiritual brotherhood with this guy when it comes to learning new things.


Vaako

[metallion]

Are there a lot of student's this "slow" at understanding what a teacher wants you to try? He took forever and still don't know if he ever even understood how to appoach the ball. I think my 4 yr old could get that faster.

The problem here is not the guy being stupid. It should be compared to a situation when you have to re-learn something you normally do automatically.

Put your tees in your left pocket for a change. Note that for some time your hand will always search the right pocket first. Even though you would answer anyone that your tees are in your left pocket.