First Move Down for Swingers

[Matt]

This is something that I've really come to understand in my own stroke this season. I used to get very - even overly - concerned with what was pulling at startdown. However, I came to realize that what everybody was saying was true..."it doesn't matter what you pull with, just pull."

I now personally like to feel that at the top my hands are about shoulder height. I practice mentally constructing the Turned Shoulder Plane angle when I'm at the top. Everything lines up right on it - the right shoulder, PP3, and the ball. Then I simply thrust my right shoulder downplane and allow it to drag my hands into impact. As my hands approach release point, my pivot must respond by moving out of the way to make room for my hands.

It really helps to teach yourself at least a basic Hitting pattern. This will help you differentiate between pushing and pulling to start the downstroke. When you get the top with Hitting, it's right arm thrust all the way down. Now simply make a stroke and don't thrust your right arm. If you know you're not pushing your right arm, what else could you be doing to start the downstroke? Pulling.

[MizunoJoe]

The hip slide must precede and, in fact, trigger the right shoulder downplane action. Don't forget that everything, except the right foot and right shoulder, must be past the ball at impact. If the right shoulder moves first, that can't happen.

[Matt]

The hip slide must precede and, in fact, trigger the right shoulder downplane action. Don't forget that everything, except the right foot and right shoulder, must be past the ball at impact. If the right shoulder moves first, that can't happen.

My hips know to slide and they do. This is again why it's so important to differentiate between what you're actually doing and what you feel you're doing.

[MBCpro]

My hips know to slide and they do. This is again why it's so important to differentiate between what you're actually doing and what you feel you're doing.

Very well said Matt, nearly all the problems of golfdom can be summed up in that statement!!!!

Todd

[DOCW3]

The hip slide must precede and, in fact, trigger the right shoulder downplane action. Don't forget that everything, except the right foot and right shoulder, must be past the ball at impact. If the right shoulder moves first, that can't happen.

Which tilts the spine so the right shoulder can follow the plane line and angle.

DRW

[Vikram]

The hip slide must precede and, in fact, trigger the right shoulder downplane action. Don't forget that everything, except the right foot and right shoulder, must be past the ball at impact. If the right shoulder moves first, that can't happen.

What about the head position at impact. Behind, over or ahead of the ball??

Vikram

[MizunoJoe]

What about the head position at impact. Behind, over or ahead of the ball??

Vikram

Behind, where it was at address. BUT, the head may end up with the neck parallel to the ground through impact.

Like this

http://www.golfswing.com/proswings/woods2.htm

[CalSr]

6-M-1 DOWNSTROKE SEQUENCE The Downstroke sequence of the Stroke Components is dictated essentially by Centrifugal Force; acceleration of a lagging Componet will cease at the instant it achieves an “In-Line” position with its immediately preceding Component.

Centers and Accumulators can be sequenced, overlapped, omitted, emphasized, triggered, and timed as the players understanding and skill permit. But the Club’s Swing Radius (6-B-0) ends at the “non-lagging” Component nearest to the Clubhead. The “Centers” of the Stroke start with the Feet or the employeed Component nearest to the feet in the following order: Knees, Hips, Shoulders, arms, Right Elbow, Left Wristcock and/or Left Hand Rotation. For maximum Power, the position of must be taken with that will allow Delay of the Release until all Components, except the Right Foot and Right Shoulder, have reached, or passed the Line-of-Site-to-the-Ball per 6-B-1-C. Then the Accumulators must move very rapidly toward their “In-Line” Position. But none should actually arrive (lose all their Lag and Drag until well after Impact. Also see 6-H-0.

Power Accumulators Release sequence is #4, #1, #2, #3 – regardless of which ones are being employed. Any Accumulator number may overlap or replace its preceding number but cannot precede it. Increase Overlap to increase THRUST – decrease Overlap to increase Velocity

Another question?

Can someone explain what is meant by quick start down in 19-C which surely must relate to 6-M1?

CalSr

[Yoda]

Can someone explain what is meant by quick start down in 10-19-C which surely must relate to 6-M-1?

Hi Cal,

Congratulations on this first post and also, on your fine grandson, Collin Neeman!

The Swinger's 'quick Start Down' of 10-19-C does not refer to a quick Hand action. Instead, it refers to an Instant Acceleration Hip Action that Loads the Power Package and sets the stage for the Downstroke's unwinding of the coiled Left Side.

The biggest problem the young Jack Nicklaus had to overcome was Flashing Hands (from the Top). With the aid of his teacher, Jack Grout, he learned to use his Pivot --not his Hands -- to begin the Downstroke. And the rest, as they say, is history.

[Mitchdoc]

Sorry for the newbie type post but where I get into trouble is the movement of the hips. How does one get the feel for the proper amount of hip slide and pivot action so as not to over or under do it?