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Old 11-28-2005, 10:16 PM
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My wife asked me why the heck I was laughing so loud. I had her read the post, too. This is one for the archives. You nailed it, as good as 357 yards down the middle.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:04 PM
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Theodan,
My wife asked me why the heck I was laughing so loud. I had her read the post, too. This is one for the archives. You nailed it, as good as 357 yards down the middle.
Luke,

Glad you enjoyed. I think that's why what you guys are doing is called "the bleeding edge". That's the cutting edge... with rock bruises and scrapes.

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Old 12-14-2005, 08:34 PM
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Change is inevitable in everything.

What lies ahead are challenges, as in anything. But rest assured that the players are some substantial and some truly exceptional individuals. They will (as my favorite all time movie character says) "improvise, adapt and overcome".

The teachings of Homer Kelley have layed unattended for too many decades. Almost as if people were waiting for someone(s) to come along to champion, communicate, and spread them. I submit that the benefactor of this site, you, and the fellow supporters of Lynn Blake Golf are saying and must continue to say....

We are the ones we have been waiting for.

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Old 12-14-2005, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Theodan

The teachings of Homer Kelley have layed unattended for too many decades. Almost as if people were waiting for someone(s) to come along to champion, communicate, and spread them. I submit that the benefactor of this site, you, and the fellow supporters of Lynn Blake Golf are saying and must continue to say....

We are the ones we have been waiting for.
I wake up to that challenge every day, Charlie. Thank you and all our friends at Lynn Blake Golf for being there.
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:06 PM
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It has been probably better than a year since I have heard the term 'cult' and TGM on various forums. This is IMO a remarkable improvement. In fact where once on forums that just the mentioning of TGM would create bashing name calling, now discussions are happening and people, other than TGM advocates are asking more and more. These are changes for good....

In the past 18 months we have witnessed the interest, the activity surrounding TGM be elevated to levels not seen before. We have at least 3 INTERNET forums where we can discuss TGM from concepts to practical application. On those forums the level of knowledge is unparalleled to any other golf forums IMO.

We are very fortunate to have AIs participate, some who were trained by Mr. Kelley himself, others who learned directly from those who were trained by Mr. Kelley. We have access to golf instructors who have made their living in golf and over the years gain invaluable experience. All of this is being made available to us.

And we have The Golfing Machine, by Homer Kelley.

I think about this from time to time and consider, at least myself, to be very lucky. How many other golfers can go to a forum or a few forums and learn about golf, get answers to questions, and have opportunities to meet and work a group of this nature?

Here even yet a better question I have for the group, How many of you can have access on near a daily basis with proven golf instructors who for the most part are AIs or very knowledgeable in TGM to assist each in their effort to better develop their own golf stroke? Increase their knowledge based on tried an proven instruction? How many of us have pros available at our own course that can match the quality we have here?

Homer Kelley's legacy, The Golfing Machine lives on in each of us as demonstrate the value it has to us and we share with others. It is the demand for Authorized Instructors, Instructors who have build their golf stroke knowledge that they teach based on The Golfing Machine that will grow this legacy. It is not instructors touting they are an AI and they teach based on tenets of The Golfing Machine.

Again we are all very fortunate in what we have available to us. And with this 'gift' that each of us has been given goes the responsibility to act accordingly, share it, pass it on and support those type of efforts. We must also recognize that some who have provided this gift to us will also move forward to make their own name and build their career. This is not at all in conflict with Homer Kelley's philosophy IMO, after all was it not Homer who said it is your swing, not mine or someone else? Same with building on this knowledge and creating Paul Pro's Swing Method, it is more than likely a composite. I know of only one instructor (there may be others but my world is limited) that IMO truly teaches TGM as a method, actually two. I know of many who teach golf who have based their teaching methods on TGM. All of these instructors that I know of seem to be able to teach beyond just their preferred method. The are IMO the true AI, a golf stroke troubleshooter, not method x fixer.

I would add, I wonder how many when they discuss 'educated hands' think about Henry Cotton or credit him with this concept?

In closing I have been very fortunate to meet or talk with a number of the contributors to the forums, AIs, Teaching Professionals, Students of the Game and all seem to have a very genuine interest and passion for the game and for The Golfing Machine. If I haven't lately told y'all...thanks. I appreciate the sharing of knowledge, the discussions and help.

Here is to 2006 a bigger and better year for all.
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:24 AM
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Thanks again for helping me to better understand TGM. I've been reading it for the past five years and not until you gave the lessons to Paul and Colling Neeman did I begin to see the emphasis on the total motion and the importance of the early chapters in the book.. I like most looked for the magic cure and would get more confused as time went on. Your gallery is a big help I like the swoosh!
Another question. Can you take the hands forward with the shaft almost perpendicular to the ground in a regular swing like the impact bag demonstration, and if you do does it hamper the release?
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CalSr

Can you take the hands forward with the shaft almost perpendicular to the ground in a regular swing like the impact bag demonstration, and if you do does it hamper the release?
Cal,

That should be your Feeling, i.e., the Hands well forward at Impact. Just as you instinctively applied at bat in your major league baseball career.

But forget about that for a minute...

I've heard so much about 'Dad' from Paul and Cal, Jr. and 'Grandpa' from Collin...

When do we meet?

You get down to The Swamp...

The lesson's on me!

P.S. And Ted, too, especially if you show your aggressive Hitting tendencies!

P.P.S. Bring your autograph pen!
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Old 12-15-2005, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Martee

It has been probably better than a year since I have heard the term 'cult' and TGM on various forums. This is IMO a remarkable improvement. In fact where once on forums that just the mentioning of TGM would create bashing name calling, now discussions are happening and people, other than TGM advocates are asking more and more. These are changes for good....

In the past 18 months we have witnessed the interest, the activity surrounding TGM be elevated to levels not seen before. We have at least 3 INTERNET forums where we can discuss TGM from concepts to practical application. On those forums the level of knowledge is unparalleled to any other golf forums IMO.

We are very fortunate to have AIs participate, some who were trained by Mr. Kelley himself, others who learned directly from those who were trained by Mr. Kelley. We have access to golf instructors who have made their living in golf and over the years gain invaluable experience. All of this is being made available to us.

And we have The Golfing Machine, by Homer Kelley.

I think about this from time to time and consider, at least myself, to be very lucky. How many other golfers can go to a forum or a few forums and learn about golf, get answers to questions, and have opportunities to meet and work a group of this nature?

Here even yet a better question I have for the group, How many of you can have access on near a daily basis with proven golf instructors who for the most part are AIs or very knowledgeable in TGM to assist each in their effort to better develop their own golf stroke? Increase their knowledge based on tried an proven instruction? How many of us have pros available at our own course that can match the quality we have here?

Homer Kelley's legacy, The Golfing Machine lives on in each of us as demonstrate the value it has to us and we share with others. It is the demand for Authorized Instructors, Instructors who have build their golf stroke knowledge that they teach based on The Golfing Machine that will grow this legacy. It is not instructors touting they are an AI and they teach based on tenets of The Golfing Machine.

Again we are all very fortunate in what we have available to us. And with this 'gift' that each of us has been given goes the responsibility to act accordingly, share it, pass it on and support those type of efforts. We must also recognize that some who have provided this gift to us will also move forward to make their own name and build their career. This is not at all in conflict with Homer Kelley's philosophy IMO, after all was it not Homer who said it is your swing, not mine or someone else? Same with building on this knowledge and creating Paul Pro's Swing Method, it is more than likely a composite. I know of only one instructor (there may be others but my world is limited) that IMO truly teaches TGM as a method, actually two. I know of many who teach golf who have based their teaching methods on TGM. All of these instructors that I know of seem to be able to teach beyond just their preferred method. The are IMO the true AI, a golf stroke troubleshooter, not method x fixer.

I would add, I wonder how many when they discuss 'educated hands' think about Henry Cotton or credit him with this concept?

In closing I have been very fortunate to meet or talk with a number of the contributors to the forums, AIs, Teaching Professionals, Students of the Game and all seem to have a very genuine interest and passion for the game and for The Golfing Machine. If I haven't lately told y'all...thanks. I appreciate the sharing of knowledge, the discussions and help.

Here is to 2006 a bigger and better year for all.
Thanks for a very thoughtful post...
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:58 PM
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First I want to apologize for my english. I am French (nobody is perfect..) and I hope that my bad orthograph and lack of vocabulary will not change the mind of my mail.
In the last ten years I have been trying to improve my golf swing with books, videos, stages, lessons with well known pros in my area. I was going up and down, from exultation to depression. My handicap was still at 14.
Last year, on Internet forums , I discovered some non "conventional" roads , and specialy Natural golf (Todd Graves's instruction). I ordered the CDs and have to admit that I was feeling good with this concept and made a lot of progress.
Then came The LIGHT. One night I found a very special mail on natural golf forum, from a certain Yoda. It took me some time to find that Yoda was Lynn Blake. Since that time I have bought HK book (bible) and I'm connecting every day.
Mr Yoda, I am quite sure that I'm not the only one on this site to think that you are bringing much more than technic. You are some kind of humanist and every -body can appreciate your passionate way to share your knowledge in your videos and in your mail. These qualities seem to be contagious : the quality and the spirit of the debates on your site are top rate. THANK YOU +++.
May I ask you a question? Some key points in the natural golf swing ("swing like Moe") are facing the ball at impact and keeping the right foot down as long as possible. It seems to me that we have some similarity in Moe Norman's and BenDoyle 's swings on these points


Thank you again and "May the force be with you" forever.
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Old 12-15-2005, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by phimaynard

May I ask you a question? Some key points in the natural golf swing ("swing like Moe") are facing the ball at impact and keeping the right foot down as long as possible. It seems to me that we have some similarity in Moe Norman's and BenDoyle 's swings on these points

Thanks, PM. Everybody here at LBG appreciates your kind words.

With regard to the two points you've raised, TGM teaches that, normally, the Body is 'comparatively' squared away at Impact (10-8-A). For special situations (especially Short Shots) the entire Body (not just the Stance) can be well Open to the Target Line (10-8-B).

The Right Foot is normally Flat well into the Downstroke and perhaps even into the Follow-Through. When the Heel does come up, it should be because the Pivot pulls it up, not because it is artificially lifted up. As with many other virtues, it is possible to exaggerate the Flat Right Foot into a fault. As a general rule, though, I see more artificial lifting of the Heels -- Happy Feet! -- than necessary.

Also, extraneous Knee Motion can be a problem. Remember, your Knees are your Anchors. Their function is to keep the Head Stationary, and that becomes difficult to do if the Knees are out of control and firing all over the place.
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