Lie angles of golf clubs

[jpg@gmt]

Do folks who use TGM techniques/swing tend to play with clubs that have more upright lie angles? In reading and experimenting with the TGM setup and swing, I feel like (and have measured) that my hands are two to three inches "higher" from the ground than with my usual setup with arms and forearms more or less hanging straight down from shoulders. My best and most consistent shots using TGM hitting technique are with a rescue club that is 2* more upright than my irons which were static and dynamically fitted a few years ago. Thanks in advaance for responses, and no I haven't grown any in the last two years...I'm 62.

[johngolf33]

If you are doing the dowell drills and impact bag work your specs can change dramatically. I just had my fitting checked and went from 1* upright to 1* flat in the last year.

[drewitgolf]

In regard to "Machiners", I would have to go with flatter lie angles then what the general public is use to. Clubhead Throwaway from horizontal wrist motion will result in a fully Uncocked Left Wrist (4-B-3) at Impact, instead of a Level Wrist (4-B-1). You Left Wrist should not be fully Uncocked until after Impact (extension of the Primary level Assembly resulting in a zero #3 accumulator requiring more upright lie angles).

The problem with dynamic fitting is that we often fit to the players swing. Unfortunately, too often we have to fit for Throwaway tendencies to help correct ball flight .

[jim_0068]

I would say since most lie angles are ridiculously upright as it is and most iron lengths are longer than old standard (which makes them more upright as well) that the lies tend to get flatter.

I went from standard to 2* flat. Also, how stiff the shaft has an effect on it as well.

[drewitgolf]

I would say since most lie angles are ridiculously upright as it is and most iron lengths are longer than old standard (which makes them more upright as well) that the lies tend to get flatter.

I went from standard to 2* flat. Also, how stiff the shaft has an effect on it as well.

Good call Jim. The club industry has changed in the last fifteen years to more upright lie angles as their standard lie angle.

[EdStraker]

I would say since most lie angles are ridiculously upright as it is and most iron lengths are longer than old standard (which makes them more upright as well) that the lies tend to get flatter.

I went from standard to 2* flat. Also, how stiff the shaft has an effect on it as well.

I agree with Jim that the lie angles are too upright for most sets made today. Mizuno's lie angle is 2 to 3 flatter than most other manufacturers. My ballstriking improved immediately after switching to Mizuno irons that were 3 degrees flatter than the other manufacturer's typical lie angle.

[Hunter]

All of you must be talking about off the rack clubs not custom fitting. I have been fitting Henry-Griffitts clubs since 1989. The great thing about HG is there are no standards. Sure there is a standard because you have to start somewhere but there are no standard as to where a good fitter ends up. If a student has a relationship with a good fitter/teacher the teacher will fit the student to where he/she is at that time. If the swing changes and it will with TGM then a good fitter will change the club accordingly. As for as lie angles go I will say that over the years using TGM and fitting HG I have seen lie angles go for upright to flatter. Mine went for 7up to 3 up. My suggestion would be to find a HG fitter who is also a TGM AI and there will be no way you can go wrong.

A word of advice: If you are truley working on and changing your swing check your lie angles every three months are so, and change them if needed.

Good Luck,
Hunter

[cometgolfer]

I've started to experiment with hitting and so far I'm liking the results. I've heard that some players will swing with the longer clubs and hit with the shorter ones (and I can see why). I've been so intrigued with hitting of late that my last few range sessions have been primarily focused on that. While on some mats last night and "hitting" wedges and 7-irons, I noticed the mat residue on my irons favored the heel of the sole. I've been playing 1 degree flat Ping S59's for 5 months (and was purely swinging when fitted). Is there any correlation to lie angles depending on hitting or swinging? If so is the difference significant enough to be concerned about?

CG

[jpg@gmt]

Thanks for the input. I think that when I first posed the question, I wasn't clear enought with the issue...I'll try to be clearer now. When I try to set up with the TGM right forearm and clubshaft in line I have a hard time doing that with a 2* flat ping iron without really bending forward...with a more upright club it is much easier to accomplish this. Am I missing the boat in terms of what to do at setup???

[drewitgolf]

As Hunter said, the clubs should be fit to the golfer, not the other way arround. Have your lie angles adjusted for impact conditions, not address.

If they need to be adjusted, take them back to where you bought them to see if they can adjust them on site. If not, send them back to Ping. Ping Inc. does not want people playing with clubs that don't fit them. The charge is minimal to have the lie angles altered.