What's causing my toe-deep divots?

[Worknplay9]

Hi all. Could a few of you weigh in on the biggest cause of toe-deep divots? Thanks in advance.
Tommy

[birdie_man]

Ur irons fitted?

+ check your balance (should be more on heels)

+ U a slicer?

[Worknplay9]

Birdie,
Irons are standard; not fitted.
Not a slicer, but a puller (over the top).
Tommy

[drewitgolf]

WP9,

Divots go left toward the shortstop?

Here is a problem. Going to a more upright lie angle will take away the toe deep divots, but generally cause you to hit it further left. Not something I am sure you want to do.

Change your Impact alignments. Your Right Forearm is most likely too high at Impact and your Wrists are fully Uncocked at Impact rather than Level.

Maybe you could provide a little more information on your stroke?

[Bagger Lance]

Change your Impact alignments. Your Right Forearm is most likely too high at Impact and your Wrists are fully Uncocked at Impact rather than Level.

Hi Drew

Can you shed some light on how someone might go about correcting the above?
Your analysis is really good. This is very common by the way.

What if someone has a steep sweep release, but otherwise on plane?

Thanks!

Bagger

[Worknplay9]

Drewitgolf,
I think you nailed it. My right forearm IS too high at impact, (as well as the wrists uncocked). So, should I practice impact fix, with a lower right forearm, that is, address, impact fix, address, impact fix, etc?
Tommy

[golfgnome]

WP9,

Divots go left toward the shortstop?

Here is a problem. Going to a more upright lie angle will take away the toe deep divots, but generally cause you to hit it further left. Not something I am sure you want to do.

Change your Impact alignments. Your Right Forearm is most likely too high at Impact and your Wrists are fully Uncocked at Impact rather than Level.

Maybe you could provide a little more information on your stroke?

Initially this is true. However, This would also force the player to start swinging down plane (dowward, outward, and forward) to correct the high right forearm. The question becomes, does the player come over plane to make the ball go straight or because that is what they think they should do?
I would try a more upright lie angle and make the ball go straight. Check the lie angle again and if the marks are good and the ball goes straight then you have a winner.

[drewitgolf]

I would try a more upright lie angle and make the ball go straight. Check the lie angle again and if the marks are good and the ball goes straight then you have a winner.

Golfgnome,

Correct me if I am wrong. Are you suggesting that the player should fit their motion to the club, rather then have the club fit their motion?

All to often when the ball goes left (from a more upright lie angle or a Bent Left Wrist), the Computer will aim the Machine further and further to the right to correct the ball flight, they won't change their Impact Alignments.

All to often, players are fitted for Clubhead Throwaway (I have fitted people for Throwaway; those are the people who won't practice or change their motion, but want to hit it straight $$$). Yes, it can improve their ball flight, but if they really want to improve their game, they will base their motion on the Laws of Science.

Improving their Zone #3, six Impact Alignments (3-F-5) before changing the lie angle of the club should save them time while improving their Geometry (they may not even need to change their lie angle to begin with). After visually checking their motion to see if they have sound Impact, then they should be fitted for lie, length, grip size, shaft flex..., not before IMO.

[Burner]

Hi all. Could a few of you weigh in on the biggest cause of toe-deep divots? Thanks in advance.
Tommy

1) Standing too close to the ball and coming in with a steeper shaft angle than the lie of the club demands.

2) Excessive rolling of the wrists in to impact will bring the club head in toe down.

Both of the above will give the swing and ball flight characteristics that you describe in your other post. But, if the toe gets into the ground first the hosel will usually come around and some balls may fly off to the right as a result.

[beetlejuice]

I have had this problem most of this year.Three weeks ago i was over on the manzella forum,and i saw the little figure that he has that looks like it is in the impact position.I went out to driving range an tried to duplicate that figure.Cured me.