Would it stand to reason that it is the Checkrein that actually cocks the Left Wrist too?
The Right Arm attempts to remain straight at all times . . . But the Checkrein "checks" that effort and thus the Right Elbow BENDS . . . and the bending of the Right Elbow COCKS the Left Wrist???
Would it stand to reason that it is the Checkrein that actually cocks the Left Wrist too?
The Right Arm attempts to remain straight at all times . . . But the Checkrein "checks" that effort and thus the Right Elbow BENDS . . . and the bending of the Right Elbow COCKS the Left Wrist???
So does this mean we conciously try to bend the right arm or not?
I read Bucket's post and initially i thought i understood but then the fog descended...
My thought process was: You apply extensor action during the whole swing which at first to me didn't seem compatable with the right forearm pickup - How can you attempt to straighten and bend the right arm at the same time. But then this 'Checkrein' of the left arm was mentioned, ahh this must overpower the attempt to straighten the right arm and thus it bends. But for this to happen wouldn't the left arm have to be moving upward? but wait the right arms responsible for lifting the left thus a conscous effort to bend the right arm must be involved....
As you can see, i've tied myself up in knots thinking about it.
So does this mean we conciously try to bend the right arm or not?
I read Bucket's post and initially i thought i understood but then the fog descended...
My thought process was: You apply extensor action during the whole swing which at first to me didn't seem compatable with the right forearm pickup - How can you attempt to straighten and bend the right arm at the same time. But then this 'Checkrein' of the left arm was mentioned, ahh this must overpower the attempt to straighten the right arm and thus it bends. But for this to happen wouldn't the left arm have to be moving upward? but wait the right arms responsible for lifting the left thus a conscous effort to bend the right arm must be involved....
As you can see, i've tied myself up in knots thinking about it.
Can anybody help clear the fog?
Cheers,
Danny
Go back and read Yoda's post . . . the one about raising your hand. Remember the left arm is a piece of rope . . . or better yet a leash . . . so you got your dawg (in this case the right arm) trying run . . . but he can only run so dang far. The leash don't move . . . it is moved by the dawg . . . but the dawg chokes himself on the rope . . . HELLO!!! CHECKREIN ACTION!!! or in this case Chokerein.
Now keep in mind the following . . .
1. The Right Arm ALWAYS attempts to be STRAIGHT
2. The Left Arm is a piece of ROPE . . . moved by the Right Arm trying its damnedest to go STRAIGHT UP PLANE and BE STRAIGHT.
3. But a rope can only be streched so far so the Right Elbow MUST BEND
4. But guess what Cocks the Left Wrist??? The Right Elbow bending.
Therefore the Checkrein COCKS the left wrist essentially.
This process works in REVERSE on the downswing . . .
Also I submit this to y'all foolz . . .
How about the concept of a BACKSTROKE AIMING POINT???? HUH????
You raise your right hand in class to ask a question . . . but your right hand is tied to your right arm so it's gotta bend . . .
Well you can get in your golf posture without a club and RAISE your right hand BACK, UP and IN basically UP PLANE until your right arm is straight . . . that is your backstroke Aiming Point.
NEXT do it with your grip . . . Your right arm still tries to go to the point where you had it UP PLANE WITH NO LEFT HAND . . . but it can't because of CHECKREIN. You will feel Extensor Action BIG TIME if you do this exercise.
How about the concept of a BACKSTROKE AIMING POINT???? HUH????
You raise your right hand in class to ask a question . . . but your right hand is tied to your right arm so it's gotta bend . . .
Well you can get in your golf posture without a club and RAISE your right hand BACK, UP and IN basically UP PLANE until your right arm is straight . . . that is your backstroke Aiming Point.
NEXT do it with your grip . . . Your right arm still tries to go to the point where you had it UP PLANE WITH NO LEFT HAND . . . but it can't because of CHECKREIN. You will feel Extensor Action BIG TIME if you do this exercise.
Hook it up!
Bucket,
This post is gold - almost as good as your Mrs Woods post on the Jen plane thread! You say to raise your right hand BACK, UP and IN basically UP PLANE until your right arm is straight - but as extensor action is in effect from startup, why not start with the arm straight? Practice right arm only with a straight right arm (with or without club), then add left hand and repeat (as you say).
On a related point, does the checkrein action of the left arm leash also cause the right wrist (as well as the right elbow) to bend?
This post is gold - almost as good as your Mrs Woods post on the Jen plane thread! You say to raise your right hand BACK, UP and IN basically UP PLANE until your right arm is straight - but as extensor action is in effect from startup, why not start with the arm straight? Practice right arm only with a straight right arm (with or without club), then add left hand and repeat (as you say).
On a related point, does the checkrein action of the left arm leash also cause the right wrist (as well as the right elbow) to bend?
Chris
Magnificent post Bucket! I was composing something as I felt guilty of highjacking the thread, but have gladly ditched it in favour of yours.
Chris, the first time the right arm is straight is at "both arms straight" (after impact) and incidentally it remains straight into the Finish, with the left elbow bending (a sort of reversal of roles of the arms) for maximum extension into the Finish.
Chris, the first time the right arm is straight is at "both arms straight" (after impact) and incidentally it remains straight into the Finish, with the left elbow bending (a sort of reversal of roles of the arms) for maximum extension into the Finish.
Weightshift, I agree. However it is the left arm checkrein which prevent straightening before "both arms straight". So what I'm wondering, is if you take the left arm off the grip, then is there value in rehaearsing the stroke with a straight right arm - rehaearsing it with a bent/bending right arm is not representative of what your right arm should be doing in the real stroke (striving to remain straight) - although it may give the geometrical 'look' of what is happening.
Weightshift, I agree. However it is the left arm checkrein which prevent straightening before "both arms straight".
It is also because the left arm moves away from the left side of the body as you approach "both arms straight" which extends the right arm hence dissolving the checkrein.
Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
So what I'm wondering, is if you take the left arm off the grip, then is there value in rehaearsing the stroke with a straight right arm - rehaearsing it with a bent/bending right arm is not representative of what your right arm should be doing in the real stroke (striving to remain straight) - although it may give the geometrical 'look' of what is happening.
Chris
Chris, personally I do not see any merit in this exercise, but others may disagree. A good exercise in my opinion would be to practise the backstroke and consequent downstroke to "both arms straight" using an impact bag. Hope this helps.
Chris, personally I do not see any merit in this exercise, but others may disagree.
I suffer from getting too flat in my backswing, with arms too across my body. I think when rehearsing right arm action, a bent elbow can fool you in terms of this, maybe because the right forearm feels relatively upright. If you take your backstroke with a straight right arm though, you can really feel if you are too flat at the top. Then with both hands on the grip you can look to duplicate the feeling (as Bucket explained, with a 'top aiming point'. That's the value of this for me.
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