Input on Book "The Final Missing Piece"

[joe curtis]

o.k. you have now read the book, so what is your opinion mr. blake

[hg]

Is this VJ?....note the sound of compression

[Rhythm]

I'm not Lynn but I will give you my opinion. Everyone should give it a read. Finally a new take on Hogan's motion.

I think VJ has done an excellent job explaining Ben Hogans pivot . I also believe that he is correct in his assesment about how Hogans pivot and swing are different from the rest. It really is simple when you know what to look for. I am just suprised that I never saw it before. I am also suprised that with how may others have been studying that swing, that others did not point it out either. Great job on having the eye to spot it.

I have tried it in my own swing and had great results so far. There is no doubt that I am driving the ball considerably further when incorporating the missing piece he speaks of. I hope it can help others as well. I feel lke this missing piece finally makes it possible to start the downswing the way Hogan reccomended.

Great Book VJ!!:

[Rhythm]

That is VJ. Yes he does make a great noise when hitting the ball. I saw him not too long ago and he demonstrated the move. Great swing!

Chris

[Martee]

Interesting, I went back and looked at John Schlee's Maximum Golf. His words actually don't match his pictures. Starting around p64 and on, his pictures fit VJ's words pretty much 100%.

I liked the VJs book as I noted above in my review.

Great job VJ.

[wojo1941]

Lynn,

What "powers" the Basic & Acquired motions, right forearm or pivot?

I have tried for years to get the motion down and compressing the ball without the shaft flipping. I get it about 85% but not fully dead hands feeling (drag the mop). I have been to Ben Doyle and he stated it was the pivot of the body, and axis tilt. Or as he described it ("turn the tee pot & tilt the tee pot).

What is the power source, Utley says right leg, Tomasello the straightening right arm, Ben the pivot.

Help!!

Wojo1941

[Rhythm]

Lynn did you get a chance to read it?

Chris

[dkerby]

Ted, have you read "The Final Missing Piece"? Would like your
thoughts as to the initial move to the left side as it pertains to
a hitter. I had a couple of Hitters make the move and it appeared
to improve their Hit. Seems that Hogan had some similarites such
as his GOTO shot was a punch, hands did not go past shoulder high,
shoulders through impact seemed more angular than horizontal and
Hogan felt like the downswing plane was more out. V.J. points out
that Hogans downswing was more actually down the line.
I am convinced that Hogan was a swinger but wounder if some of
Hogans initial moves could be used for a Hitter?

[dkerby]

6bmike has an interesting post saying that the Hit pivot and
the Swing pivot are different. "My Hit pivot is as short as
my backswing, quickly to the left leg - short and sweet.
Short quick pivot - slow accelerating arms and hands."
"My Swing pivot is as long as my backswing, taking time to
unwind to let the right shoulder - crank -a long and lazy
pivot. Long pivot-rapid from the start hands and arms."

V.J.s obversations comply with the Swing Pivot where the hip
turn to the right and the lower body shift left must be co-oridinated on the backswing.

On the downswing, with Hogan set up on the left leg pivot, Hogan
said that you could not move the hips to fast. Does not sound long
and lazy. 6bmike, does this mean that you do not buy into the intiial
move that V.J. observes?

[12 piece bucket]

6bmike has an interesting post saying that the Hit pivot and
the Swing pivot are different. "My Hit pivot is as short as
my backswing, quickly to the left leg - short and sweet.
Short quick pivot - slow accelerating arms and hands."
"My Swing pivot is as long as my backswing, taking time to
unwind to let the right shoulder - crank -a long and lazy
pivot. Long pivot-rapid from the start hands and arms."

V.J.s obversations comply with the Swing Pivot where the hip
turn to the right and the lower body shift left must be co-oridinated on the backswing.

On the downswing, with Hogan set up on the left leg pivot, Hogan
said that you could not move the hips to fast. Does not sound long
and lazy. 6bmike, does this mean that you do not buy into the intiial
move that V.J. observes?

Mr. Hole-In-Da-Iron-Face,

I was waiting for you to chime in here being an authority on The Hawk. Mr. Kelley said that "Hogan was the model for Instant Hip Acceleration." I'd say based on VJ's description of Hogan's pivot . . . the two are in lock step. Hogan created his Axis Tilt on the BACKSTROKE. I think VJ did a nice job on the book.