Where to hit ball to draw

[Mike O]

Mikey???????????

Bucket??????????????????

I don't know where that thread is! - I'd imagine you look up Yoda's profile and then go through all 2.1 billion posts to find it or use the thread search and type in some different terms that might pull it up!

Once Brownman calms down - I'll be back to bust some Bucket Balls!

[Mike O]

This thread is going

Bucket- I expect you'll own up to creating this problem!

[Uppndownn]

That was too easy for you Mike.

If it helps I do remember reading Yoda's reference to hitting the outside rear quadrant of the ball to draw it, but I do not recall the thread. It was my impression that the stroke was still down, forward, and out, and that the face was closed enough relative to the stroke that the closing toe contacted a point on the outside rear quadrant a millisecond before the rest of the face compressed the ball, creating counter-clockwise or hooking spin.

But I have been wrong before here.........

UPP in soon to be 2008 Ohio

[Loren]

Here's what Yoda wrote. Picked up this quote from another thread. It's from a longer post I read in the Archives yesterday.


"Hitters and Manipulated Hands Swingers play the Ball back (of Straightaway Flight Location) for Draws and forward for Fades. With the Left Wrist positioned Flat, Level and Vertical, the Club is rotated within the Grip -- Closed for Draws and Opened for Fades -- to agree with the new Ball Location. A Ball placed back in the Stance will Draw because the Clubface makes contact with the Outside Aft quadrant of the Ball. A Ball placed forward in the Stance will Fade because the Clubface makes contact with the Inside Aft Quadrant. "

[Mike O]

That was too easy for you Mike.
UPP in soon to be 2008 Ohio

You're right but sometimes when they "tee'm up" you can't pass on them. I'll try to be more creative!

I'm sure it's sunny and 80 degrees in Ohio- or did you lose the job of "Head of tourism" for the State?

[brownman]

Thanks Loren

[Mike O]

Did I tell you that Meth was not really good for you!? Let's see if I follow you " I need to hit the outside to hit a fade" but then you also said "If I hit the outside of the center line you'd probably end up with some sort of yank duck hook deal1?"
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Personally, I'd say that you'd need to hit the inside for a draw, the outside for a big hook relative to the target line "centerline" and the outside for a draw and the outside for a big hook! relative to the clubhead force "centerline". The only difference between your post and mine (I know you'll tell me your version of the difference in you reply post- if your brain cells aren't completely gone) is that I can make mine make sense- the question is: Can you make your post make sense? And no- another hit of Meth - although you think it's going to help you think clearly- trust me it's not!!

Bring it lard bucket! YOU Big .... never mind I don't want to get a lifetime ban from the forum - It's tempting but I need to hold back!

P.S. If you pick on my boy Neil one more time - I swear I will drive to North Carolina and it won't be pretty!

You are an idiot! Ah-Oops, that's my own post. OK.....

Here's my answer- to explain my "answer above". When you are looking at drawing or fading- it's the divergence of clubface direction versus clubpath direction/force that creates a contact point and force that are not centered to the ball and therefore create spin. Since the clubhead is coming down, out and forward (on plane.... Well that wouldn't apply in Bucket's case but let's set aside exceptions!) - if it hasn't reached low point yet- then the most important context is the direction of the path of the clubhead force- that would determine your "centerline" - then if the contact point based on the clubface position is "outside" of that center line and below the "centerline" you'll draw it- "inside and below" you will fade it. The target line is really irrelevant in that sense- but if you wanted to use the target line for determining the "center line" and you're coming down that plane- clubhead moving down, out and forward- contacting before lowpoint, then you'd have a little room to have the clubface be closed in relation to the path of the clubhead but still hit the inside quadrant AS MEASURED BY THE TARGET LINE and NOT THE MORE RELEVANT CLUBHEAD PATH/FORCE CENTERLINE- creating a draw. But at some point for larger draws or hooks you'd even hit the outside lower portion of the ball AS MEASURED BY THE TARGET LINE.

[Loren]

I found it in the thread labeled Max Distance Hitting
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...p?t=108&page=6

Yoda's words brought up some more conversation there:

"The Hitter does indeed direct the #3 Pressure Point (Lag Pressure Thrust) along the Angle of Approach and thus through the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball. The wrinkle here is that, unlike when using the Swinger's Horizontal Hinging, you do not hit the Ball with an Open Clubface when applying the Hitter's Angled Hinging. Instead, you hit the Ball with a Closed Clubface.

The Clubface for Angled Hinging is aligned at Impact Fix Closed to the Target Line per 2-J-1 -- and the longer the Shot the more Closed the Clubface. Also, the further back the Ball is located toward the Right Foot, the more Closed the Clubface becomes to the Delivery Line and the Lag Pressure Point (7-11).

Thus, though the Lag Pressure is driven through the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball, the Closed Clubface 'wraps around' enough to impact the outside-aft quadrant. This action, at a minimum, offsets the Fading tendency of the Uncentered 'Layback Action' characteristic of the Angled Hinge Motion. When the divergence of Clubhead Path and Clubface Alignment is more severe, the result is a Draw or Hook."

[Yoda]

The Clubface for Angled Hinging is aligned at Impact Fix Closed to the Target Line per 2-J-1 -- and the longer the Shot the more Closed the Clubface. Also, the further back the Ball is located toward the Right Foot, the more Closed the Clubface becomes to the Delivery Line and the Lag Pressure Point (7-11).

Brian Gay and I worked today at his home course -- Golden Bear Club at Keane's Point in Orlando, Florida -- in preparation for his 2008 season. We established the 'straightaway' Fix alignment early on and maintained it throughout our session.

Later, we practiced Draw shots using these same principles, i.e., the Ball located further back in the Stance (more Up Plane) with the Clubface slightly Closed at Fix. This Closed alignment is the same relative to the Ball as in the Straightaway location. However, due to the back Ball Location, it is more Closed relative to the Plane Line).

[Daryl]

Hmm?
For Every shot, the ball is positioned behind low-point and the clubface first makes contact on the Inside-Aft quadrant of the ball and at separation, the clubface is perpendicular to the target line for Drawing, Fading and the inevitable and highly prized, Straight shot. Unless it’s a trick shot, or a Hook or a slice.

Did I say that right?

Hmm? Is there such a thing as only one normal curved ball flight ( a limit ) for both hitters and swingers when only repositioning components on the Plane, Target and Stance lines without further manipulation of the components?

Should Non-manipulating Swingers position the ball more forward for a draw but back for a hook?

Wow, Pro-Golf has really changed. An early start used to be March. I’m getting old.

Happy New Year everyone.