6-b-3-0

[Daryl]

Here's a discussion.

I hesitate in posting this, but, we only live once.

Not saying the current 7th edition changes arent accurate. But....

My understanding is that many many people worked on the changes at different points. So - any chance some items slipped through that werent intended - or others didnt make it in?

Just curious as to what others thought.

Patrick

It's just my opinion, but if I may borrow a colorful metaphor from "Buckets" Treasury (Bucket didn't say this) I would say that: Some Items Slipped Through Like A Greased Pig Running Through an Open Gate.

[Mike O]

D . . .what about the stamp on your forehead . . . tell us about that . . . Magic of the Wrong Forehead?

I agree with you guys- but the important issue here is that Daryl has not responded to Bucket's question- and I find it rude and Bucket is also very upset about this. Daryl, tell us about the Magic of the forehead?

[Daryl]

I agree with you guys- but the important issue here is that Daryl has not responded to Bucket's question- and I find it rude and Bucket is also very upset about this. Daryl, tell us about the Magic of the forehead?

The Magic of the Forehead is quite simple actually. Please allow me to explain. It's a (4) step process.

First. Schedule a Private Lesson with Yoda.

Second. When Yoda places his hand, GENTLY on your forehead, so that you won’t sway off the Ball when he tells you to make a backswing, but then you CONTINUE to sway off the Ball, then Yoda must apply more force.

Third. Failing to Keep Your Head Stationary following 10 or more attempts, then Yoda will begin to use Right Arm Thrust and apply the #1 Pressure Point to your forehead.

Fourth. After 10 more attempts fail, Then Yoda uses his Right Shoulder as a BACKSTOP to Brace His Right Arm Thrust through the #1 Pressure Point to your Forehead. Unfortunately, His Right Hand is no Longer on your Forehead before he begins to Thrust.

This is known as “THE MAGIC OF THE FOREHEAD”. It works!

Then, get in a Golf Cart and shoot a 38.

[phillygolf]

Funny guys. (just kidding, it wasnt funny though I do like the comraderie)

Bigger issue here.

I know of, I believe, 3-4 people that were 'working' on 7th edition revisions.

So........

Who's right? Who's wrong?

[12 piece bucket]

Sweet . . . I think you could get pressure points 1 2 & 3 on Mike's forehead . . . It's flatter than a pizza box.

[Mike O]

Sweet . . . I think you could get pressure points 1 2 & 3 on Mike's forehead . . . It's flatter than a pizza box.

That's the best you got? Oh this is going to be too easy. I'll bury you!!

[Daryl]

Funny guys. (just kidding, it wasnt funny though I do like the comraderie)

Bigger issue here.

I know of, I believe, 3-4 people that were 'working' on 7th edition revisions.

So........

Who's right? Who's wrong?

I’ll be blunt.

I have read HK for twenty-five years and have become familiar with his words and thoughts. I know his sarcasm when he doesn’t care about something and I know how he writes when he finds something amusing. You can read TGM twenty-five times without complete understanding but you can’t read HK twenty-five times without knowing something of his personality and immense effort and dedication. I know that he painfully chose his words.

TGM was revised six times by Homer Kelley within Eleven years, and by today; he may have updated and managed more than twenty revisions. No one can say, however textbooks are commonly updated and Homer did not fear changing his perspective or correcting himself and I think he rather enjoyed them.

TGM was the brainchild that he conceived, nurtured, clarified and purified. I have most of the original six editions and a side by side comparison clearly illustrates that Homer was developing and refining his concepts. Most of them are firmly implanted but some, to a lesser degree and remain in need of development.

I think that the “notes” should have been published. I think that the few corrections (references) needed to be made to the sixth edition, could have been made and re-published as the 7th with an appendix of Homers “notes” added for those of us who wish to peek into his concerns in hopes that some insight could lead us to future development.

I think a book explaining and clarifying key concepts should have been developed for the general golfing public and teaching professionals not familiar with the original work. Small doses, color photos, you know the drill. The word “Lever” and “Lag” are being used more often. It’s interesting to me how many TGM terms are being adopted. Yet does anyone beyond us understand their origin, meaning or purpose?

No matter how often or how many people exclaim the accuracy of the translations, I cannot agree with this decision. I don’t think that the 7th edition should have been published this way. There is too much “finality”.

Did Homer Kelley or his brainchild benefit through this effort? How much fog was lifted? For you? Why? Why? Why? Together, with the “LBG Platform”, a website provided by a gracious and acutely knowledgeable host, who, without question, is the World’s foremost expert on TGM, have an enormous opportunity to expand and build TGM knowledge with each other’s guidance. Simply expanding applications, such as Putting, Chipping, it’s endless. It’s the only book of its kind and yet every sport that uses a stick to hit something to make it move uses the same Laws and Principles. Interesting. Homer learned from them too and they can learn from Homer.

So much to do and so little time. This website could be here one-hundred years from now. Imagine fifty years from now, someone visits the site and reads the Collected Works of “Bucket”. Go ahead, laugh, they will. Does the 7th Edition mark the completion of the effort? No. Get down to the “Lab” and help me figure out my Extensor experiment! Homer would.

[phillygolf]

I’ll be blunt.

I have read HK for twenty-five years and have become familiar with his words and thoughts. I know his sarcasm when he doesn’t care about something and I know how he writes when he finds something amusing. You can read TGM twenty-five times without complete understanding but you can’t read HK twenty-five times without knowing something of his personality and immense effort and dedication. I know that he painfully chose his words.

Agreed to an extent - I dont think Homer was interested in sarcasm per se, in the book, though I understand your point. Bookwise, I think he was most interseted in getting his point across and, to a degree, I feel we read too much into some concepts - meaning, we (I) look delve into concepts and look for something deeper than he says...though I guess that goes along with the territory.

I’ll be blunt.
TGM was revised six times by Homer Kelley within Eleven years, and by today; he may have updated and managed more than twenty revisions. No one can say, however textbooks are commonly updated and Homer did not fear changing his perspective or correcting himself and I think he rather enjoyed them.

Agreed. I think a misguided perception is Homer was steadfast in his concepts. There are many, many people that have contributed to TGM - the actual print. Homer was not above changing wording to get his point across. He would hold his ground, dont get me wrong, but in the end - some of the additional revisions were a direct result of his pupils feedback.

I’ll be blunt.
TGM was the brainchild that he conceived, nurtured, clarified and purified. I have most of the original six editions and a side by side comparison clearly illustrates that Homer was developing and refining his concepts. Most of them are firmly implanted but some, to a lesser degree and remain in need of development.

Yep. Same page. I had all editions (with the help of a friend) 3rd and 1st immaculate and signed by Homer.

I’ll be blunt.
I think that the “notes” should have been published. I think that the few corrections (references) needed to be made to the sixth edition, could have been made and re-published as the 7th with an appendix of Homers “notes” added for those of us who wish to peek into his concerns in hopes that some insight could lead us to future development.

Not sure about the 'notes' per se.

I’ll be blunt.
I think a book explaining and clarifying key concepts should have been developed for the general golfing public and teaching professionals not familiar with the original work. Small doses, color photos, you know the drill. The word “Lever” and “Lag” are being used more often. It’s interesting to me how many TGM terms are being adopted. Yet does anyone beyond us understand their origin, meaning or purpose?

Bingo. Nail on the head. And in my opinion, this is what separates the big boys from the masses - the ability to teach and explain concepts in everyday words. I think someone (Einstein maybe) said being a genius is the ability to take a complicated concept and make it simple.

I’ll be blunt.
No matter how often or how many people exclaim the accuracy of the translations, I cannot agree with this decision. I don’t think that the 7th edition should have been published this way. There is too much “finality”.

Agreed - but I must admit, I havent seen the published 7th. I had the revisions way before...not sure what made it and what didnt.

I’ll be blunt.
Did Homer Kelley or his brainchild benefit through this effort? How much fog was lifted? For you? Why? Why? Why? Together, with the “LBG Platform”, a website provided by a gracious and acutely knowledgeable host, who, without question, is the World’s foremost expert on TGM, have an enormous opportunity to expand and build TGM knowledge with each other’s guidance. Simply expanding applications, such as Putting, Chipping, it’s endless. It’s the only book of its kind and yet every sport that uses a stick to hit something to make it move uses the same Laws and Principles. Interesting. Homer learned from them too and they can learn from Homer.

Agreed on the book. Great perspective. One comment - I do feel one other person is on the level of Lynn. Different approaches, communication, etc - not going to mention names, but.......

I’ll be blunt.
So much to do and so little time. This website could be here one-hundred years from now. Imagine fifty years from now, someone visits the site and reads the Collected Works of “Bucket”. Go ahead, laugh, they will. Does the 7th Edition mark the completion of the effort? No. Get down to the “Lab” and help me figure out my Extensor experiment! Homer would.

Shakespeareian.

Nothing to add, just going to copy it back and bow out with plagiarism (please dont sue me).

Great post Daryl. Much fun.

Patrick

I’ll be blunt.
So much to do and so little time. This website could be here one-hundred years from now. Imagine fifty years from now, someone visits the site and reads the Collected Works of “Bucket”. Go ahead, laugh, they will. Does the 7th Edition mark the completion of the effort? No. Get down to the “Lab” and help me figure out my Extensor experiment! Homer would.

[Daryl]

It's none of my business. I must learn to keep my opinions to myself. These posts should be deleted.
Philly, I had no idea you were so deep into this. You had his notes? Hmm?

Agreed on the book. Great perspective. One comment - I do feel one other person is on the level of Lynn. Different approaches, communication, etc - not going to mention names, but.......

I understand. Thank you for your comments. I can't disagree with you. But I see no wobble at LBG. This [Web site] is a monumental effort, and though I'm only a willing and fortunate participant, I'm not blind to the work ethics "sacrifice through dedication" or "hard work through effort" or "When in doubt, get back to the Basics".

[phillygolf]

No wobble

Good stuff..