What are the fundamental alignments of a good Pivot?

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What are the fundamental alignments of a good Pivot?
We talk so much about the Hands, Wrist Action, Lag Pressure, the Right Forearm, Hinge Action . . . all basically Power Package alignments . . .

So since we are talking Alignment Golf . . . let's talk about the Alignments in the Pivot. Homer said something like the Pivot was the sack you put everything in (OK that's teed up HIGH for the goofballz in the romper room).

But talk to me about first the FUNCTION of the Pivot and what Alignments you think should be present and how the should move in space and in relation to what e.g. Delivery Lines, Plane Angles, Stance Lines, Hand Paths etc.

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Zone #1 -- Body Control -- Concepts and Procedures
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But talk to me about first the FUNCTION of the Pivot . . .
Begin with the idea that the Body is the Rotor in a Centrifugal Motion whose model (and ultimate perfection) is the Gyroscope . . .
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Do you want all the spine shifts and axis tilts for arc and angle of approach and the relationship of the arms to the body ? Rotated or Flat shoulder turn ?
Swinging or Hitting.
How low or high of a shot ? Hook Slice? Or just
"a free turn in both directions"
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Originally Posted by denny View Post
Do you want all the spine shifts and axis tilts for arc and angle of approach and the relationship of the arms to the body ? Rotated or Flat shoulder turn ?
Swinging or Hitting.
How low or high of a shot ? Hook Slice? Or just
"a free turn in both directions"

How about lets start with STANCE and go from there. Alignments?
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Rotated or Flat shoulder turn ?
Swinging or Hitting.
How low or high of a shot ? Hook Slice? Or just
"a free turn in both directions"
I want to hit one of those hook slice things!

Around the trees to the left, around the trees to the right, ON THE GREEN!
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
Begin with the idea that the Body is the Rotor in a Centrifugal Motion whose model (and ultimate perfection) is the Gyroscope . . .
Two words come to mind . . .
















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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).

The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Do you want all the spine shifts and axis tilts for arc and angle of approach and the relationship of the arms to the body ? Rotated or Flat shoulder turn ?
Swinging or Hitting.
How low or high of a shot ? Hook Slice? Or just
"a free turn in both directions"
That's what I'm talking about . . . deep end of the pool.

Let's go Big'Un!!!

Pick one and let's start hammering and welding it together.

Cast the first line in the pond and I'll put some pictures on the hook if I can find some good ones to support you.

Mark! Set! Go!
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Do you want all the spine shifts and axis tilts for arc and angle of approach and the relationship of the arms to the body ? Rotated or Flat shoulder turn ?
Swinging or Hitting.
How low or high of a shot ? Hook Slice? Or just
"a free turn in both directions"
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You nailed me. Actually my daughter (that's me) is typing this message at the moment: "My dad types at four words per minute - I'm getting paid four bucks a minute to type this, but then he knows it won't take me thirty seconds.

He DOES work twelve hours a day, but golf IS his life in a way few other people have devoted themselves to a passion - and if it wasn't for this website, he'd never even peck at a keyboard.

He says he's learned a great deal from George Kelnhofer, Chuck Evans, Lynn Blake, Mac O'Grady, and Homer Kelley - as well as from other contributors on these sites. And he is dedicated to always becoming a better teacher. He thanks you, Lynn, for your kind words and for keeping Homer's teachings alive."
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
We talk so much about the Hands, Wrist Action, Lag Pressure, the Right Forearm, Hinge Action . . . all basically Power Package alignments . . .

So since we are talking Alignment Golf . . . let's talk about the Alignments in the Pivot. Homer said something like the Pivot was the sack you put everything in (OK that's teed up HIGH for the goofballz in the romper room).

But talk to me about first the FUNCTION of the Pivot and what Alignments you think should be present and how the should move in space and in relation to what e.g. Delivery Lines, Plane Angles, Stance Lines, Hand Paths etc.

Holla back.
The PIVOT transports the POWER PACKAGE. Its a MOTION. The direction, or as you are want to say "alignment" of the pivot is dependant on stance line, hip action, etc,etc.
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