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Old 05-28-2010, 08:22 AM
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Weekly Golf Tip #1 Swivel
Here is a "Weekly (TGM) Golf Tip". Insights, secrets, whatever.

Weekly GOLF TIP - Impact Swivel:
For Swingers, using the Sequenced Release, when your Right Wrist is fully bent, it may be advantageous to have a slight Arch in your Left Wrist. Adjust your Grip accordingly. I found that this aids in producing/manufacturing/Faking the Impact Swivel. It helps.


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Old 05-28-2010, 11:03 PM
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"Impact Swivel"? Where is that in the book?

Why would you want your Right Wrist to be "fully bent"? Isnt it ideally an Impact Fix degree of bend?

And to have an arched left wrist at Fix would require the thumb to be on top of the shaft wouldnt it? Isnt the arch grip dependent?

You talking max right wrist bend and max left wrist arch? Why? You could have max right wrist bend and no arch with a 10-2-D. Is there an impact geometry reason?

Maybe you've been looking at those Hogan photos again...........ok , ya they're pretty sweet, but........

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Old 05-28-2010, 11:13 PM
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"Impact Swivel"? Where is that in the book?
The Left Wrist needs to change from "Turned On-Plane" during the Downstroke to "Vertical" for Horizontal Hinging for the Impact Interval. This is called a Swivel. There are 3 Swivels for a Swinger. "Start-up Swivel", "Pre-Impact Swivel" and "Finish Swivel". Each of these Swivels moves the Left Wrist from Vertical to On-Plane or On-Plane back to Vertical.


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2-G HINGE MOTION Thus, though some procedures may cause the Clubface to “Close” in relation to the Plane Line, none will be an actual “Roll” of the Hands. See 2-C and 6-B-3-0. There is, however, the “Release Roll” (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignments by Accumulator #3 with (10-18-A only).
Bold by Daryl, to point out the place in the Book describing the Pre-Impact Swivel.


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Why would you want your Right Wrist to be "fully bent"? Isnt it ideally an Impact Fix degree of bend?
Fully Bent Right Wrist = Fully Flat Left Wrist. With the Ball played in one location while using the Turned shoulder plane, the Right Wrist will be fully Bent for all clubs, Hitting or Swinging.

I think that Uncocking and Rolling is the easier part. I think the Trouble is with the Swivel. My Tip will help get through the Swivel.

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Old 05-28-2010, 11:24 PM
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K. Im being a bit of an ass I know. Some swingers do feel the whole thing is one big swivel........

But......... Homer was always very clear that Impact is best not executed as a Swivel but as a Hinge Action. Leaving you with a Release Swivel and a Finish Swivel and HInge Action of one sort or the other in the middle. Thats in the book!

Fully bent right wrist for all shots? Got a quote for that one?
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
K. Im being a bit of an ass I know. Some swingers do feel the whole thing is one big swivel........

But......... Homer was always very clear that Impact is best not executed as a Swivel but as a Hinge Action. Leaving you with a Release Swivel and a Finish Swivel and HInge Action of one sort or the other in the middle. Thats in the book!
Swiveling through Impact is fairly easy to spot. The Back of the Left Hand travels from On-Plane before impact to back onto the Plane immediately after Impact. (AKA. Ben Doyle Hinge.)

The "Release Swivel" is the "Pre-Impact Swivel". I'm merely emphasizing that the Swivel occurs after Uncocking and Rolling. Many Golfers do it before, that's true, but the proper place is Pre-Impact.

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4-D-0 RELEASE MOTIONS Normally, only Swingers with their Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) “Swivel” – that is, actually rotate the Left Wrist – through the Release into its Vertical Position for Impact....

But all players must “Swivel” – actually rotate their Wrists – into the “parallel to the Plane” position for the Finish (8-12) after the Follow-through.
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10-18-A STANDARD With this procedure with Wrist is Turned and Cocked (FCT) during the Backstroke which requires that it be Rolled and Uncocked during the Release. Only where this procedure is used, do the Hands “Swivel” into Hinge Action Position. Study 4-D-0.

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Fully bent right wrist for all shots? Got a quote for that one?
I can quote you a number of places where it say's a Flat Left Wrist. I guess he just assumed we would know.

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Old 05-29-2010, 07:21 AM
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Swiveling through Impact is fairly easy to spot. The Back of the Left Hand travels from On-Plane before impact to back onto the Plane immediately after Impact. (AKA. Ben Doyle Hinge.)

The "Release Swivel" is the "Pre-Impact Swivel". I'm merely emphasizing that the Swivel occurs after Uncocking and Rolling. Many Golfers do it before, that's true, but the proper place is Pre-Impact.

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Old 05-29-2010, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Here is a "Weekly (TGM) Golf Tip". Insights, secrets, whatever.

Weekly GOLF TIP - Impact Swivel:
For Swingers, using the Sequenced Release, when your Right Wrist is fully bent, it may be advantageous to have a slight Arch in your Left Wrist. Adjust your Grip accordingly. I found that this aids in producing/manufacturing/Faking the Impact Swivel. It helps.


My Opinion of TGM Critics.


Next Weeks TGM TIP: "A Pictorial Narrative of the Horizontal Hinge". You don't want to miss it.


An arched left wrist destroy's the left arm wedge. There are some patterns for which the arch can work nicely, but for a pure swinger's pattern, with a sequenced release, there is no need to arch, it opens the clubface.

It does add some clubhead control 'insurance', and can be used effectively, as long as you understand it is a compensation for a non seqenced release (a fine line for a snap release a.k.a. Hogan)

In Hogan's case, and Mickey Wright's - a squeeze and curling under of the last 2 or 3 fingers, with the straightening right arm and bent right wrist preventing over swivel. (the straightening right arm is a 'regulator' of the swivel, allowing the pivot to produce the pure horizontal hinge)
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:02 AM
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What is the 10-2-B grip?
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:32 AM
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more gold there and thanks for the reminder of that great video OB.

Now I know for sure where my draw went!
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:57 AM
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Swivel sequence
This is TGM not tips- my opinion only- I come to TGM for consistent system laid on foundation. Tips have screwed me and many others up forever.
I am mainly the three small slices of the pie- and I do have criticism but it is, by far, the smallest piece of the pie and I can’t remember what it contains now.
OK, I need to elaborate on Huh? (Call it therapy, rudeness, ignorance or just plain FUN to do).
I just found a TGM criticism. 2-G.

"..2-G HINGE MOTION Thus, though some procedures may cause the Clubface to “Close” in relation to the Plane Line, none will be an actual “Roll” of the Hands. See 2-C and 6-B-3-0. There is, however, the “Release Roll” (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignments by Accumulator #3 with (10-18-A only)..."

I think should read…alignments.[PERIOD] (Not by accumulator #3)
Working backwards.
Impact alignment- Horizontal hinge-left wedge/wrist-flat, level (almost) and vertical
RFFW on plane
#3 pp on plane down out and forward sensing clubface too inside quadrant ball
So where did the swivel happen?
The swivel gets me from left wedge SORT- OF on plane to vertical to plane i.e. Swivel “presents” #3
The swivel starts during #2 release.
Let me put some numbers behind this.
The swing- Left full cocked-#2 release on plane starts very fast- rffw under plane- pp#3 is on top shaft but on plane. Right forearm starts fanning. At ~ 35% #2 release left wrist swivel, #3 rotates to behind shaft rf arrives on plane #2 continues release but slower . Left wedge/hand now vertical. #3 accumulator is max at this point and HOLDS THE CLUBFACE VERTICAL. Down is still needed-so- #2 continues to release, let’s say to 47% at impact (just short of level left wrist) At low point. 50% #2 release, #3 pp directing traffic, #3 acc. Holding face alignment. We are heading for follow through. Once there both arms straight, #2 gets to zero, no more #3 accumulator and now everything just wants to swivel around and stay on plane because we planned for that way back at the top.
I think the follow through swivel can be seen but #2, swivel,#3 may only be 3-4 inches of hand movement to 2-4 feet of club head movement.
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I just like the base and the cello and the viola in this clip but the picture makes the point.



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