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Can the Swinger load the knuckle at End without a 10-2-A Grip Type or without cocking the Right Wrist?

[Daryl]

Can the Swinger load the knuckle at End without a 10-2-A Grip Type or without cocking the Right Wrist?

The key is to load the #3 PP against the Secondary Lever without regard for Grip Type or Wrist Action. 10-2-B is the recommended Grip along with Standard Wrist Action.

If you cock the Right Wrist, then you may as well bend the Left Elbow. Cock the Left Wrist is synonymous with bending the Right Elbow.

[BerntR]

I know it's against the TGM gospel, but I don't see how it is possible to produce a good snap release without cocking the left wrist in the down stroke.

I believe even Yoda cocks his right wrist in the down stroke.

To not cock the wrist in the down stroke requires a simultaneous sweep release as far as I can see.

[Daryl]

It may not be difficult for everyone, but for me, it was a stroke of luck that I learned how not to Cock the Right Wrist during the Swing.

I was hitting hundreds and hundreds of chip shots per night for weeks, a bunch of winters ago. My trajectory control was not good. I tried swinging with only the right arm but my wrist was too flimsy. So, I used an Ace Bandage and wrapped my wrist (and the club) in the Bent Right Wrist condition. Problem solved.

I graduated to using the Ace Bandage with a Bent spoon to stiffen the Right Wrist even more. Eventually I bought a Gary Wiren "the key" for my Right Wrist. For the first time in my life I could feel the "Right Forearm Flying Wedge". Now, those words had meaning.

To make a long story short, I learned that my Right Wrist was Cocking because of the way I was Swinging. Restraining my Bent Right Wrist forced me to use the Right Forearm Take-Away and assemble the Wedges Immediately at Start-up. It also stopped my over-swinging at the Top of the Backstroke.

All of those learned Alignments (mechanics) have since turned into "feel". I still use it once a month to check myself and I consider it the best training tool I ever bought. Today, when I direct my #3 Pressure Point along the Plane Line or at the Inside Aft Quadrant of the Ball, then that's exactly where my Club Head is going.

[O.B.Left]

Can the Swinger load the knuckle at End without a 10-2-A Grip Type or without cocking the Right Wrist?

Yes. But lets be sure we mean the same thing by "cocking" the Right Hand. Hammering as opposed to backward bending. Dont do it , there is no need and its off plane, in a Right Forearm Flying Wedge sense.

The knuckle in question is at the base of the right hands index finger and so it is more right hand grip type dependent than left. If you want to load the shaft along the Top of the shaft for Drag Loading during Longitudinal Acceleration and then later support the Aft during Radial Acceleration you'll need two pp#3 locations aligned accordingly. If you only wish to Drive period then you could make do without the knuckle aligned to the Top of the shaft since you wont bend the shaft along that axis anyways. Best to stop at Top for that one Homer reasoned.

Here's another way to think about this crucial alignment of the right index finger and knuckle..... Think of the butt end of the grip as being divided along two axis, north south and east west. The knuckle is ideally aligned to the former the first joint to the latter. But, if you're attempting to Swing and Drag Load and your knuckle is not aligned to the Top of the shaft and then you Load that knuckle............you are not loading, not bending the shaft along the correct axis for the Swingers Drag Loading 10-19-C Startdown.

There's a lot of "ham fisted" right hand grips out there that have the knuckle on the aft of the shaft........The butt end axis that you Load is the one you will Release , action/reaction. If you load the aft you'll release it .........which'll be Radial Acceleration as opposed to the Top of the Shaft Longitudinal Acceleration. Meaning the Clubshaft, the Palm of the Left Wrist will come off the Inclined Plane early, non Sequenced Release , 2 and 3 at the same time......Hitter style. A death move for a Swinger often. Early Release at best.

It may feel like an Over the Top move to the afflicted but it cant be fixed until the shaft is loaded correctly. And the best way to insure this is to correctly align your right index in a "c" shape like fashion to the handle. Knuckle on the Top , First Joint on the Aft. Get your Right Hand , specifically your Right Index Finger and its two Lag Pressure Points aligned in accordance with your desired Loading Action and then put your Brain in your Hands and load it, then nurse it, all by Feel. . You'll remember Homer defined his mission as "Getting the correct information into the HANDS of the golfing public".

I personally have a habit of getting a little strong in the right Hand and then loading the knuckle which has slid to about 1;30 on the clock ........off plane loading being the result. My clubshaft wagging inside a little even, my left hand getting a little bowed or too flat at Top. Its a false feel Loading. Everything feels right but it isnt because my Lag Pressure Point Alignment is off. I can hit some weak cuts with those alignments.......if I try to fix it with the Delivery Path or Swivel Im off down the wrong road heading to Compensationville. Two or three wrongs trying to make a straight shot. It can take weeks to get things back. But now , I just check my Alignments and make sure the things Im feeling are actually doing what they're supposed to be doing.

Its a beautiful machine that Homer uncovered...........I think he did a lot of looking at Hogan when it came to Drag Loading 10-19-C. In Lynn's GSEM class in 1982. Homer was talking about Drag Loading, Swinging from the Feet etc and said "Now Hogan........... the ideal....."

[BerntR]

It may not be difficult for everyone, but for me, it was a stroke of luck that I learned how not to Cock the Right Wrist during the Swing.

Daryl,

For all i know, keeping the right wrist uncocked may be the best way to generate power. But that requires a right shoulder that goes deep into impact. And I mean really deep. Because as soon as you release Accumulator #4 and let your hands move away from your right shoulder, you have to release Accumulator #2 as well. If you want to save your Acc #2 for last later you have to cock the right wrist in the down stroke.

Yoda's stroke is one of the best I've seen. But when I see still pictures of it just prior to Acc #2 release his right wrist is to a significant extent cocked. You can try to recreate the position he has in the photo session where he is sided with Ben Hogan and judge for yourself.

Chipping is different, although I wouldn't be surprised if a very sensitive analysis of a dual horizontal chip showed signs downstroke cocking of the right wrist.

[Daryl]

The Right Shoulder goes deep. But it's going that way anyway. But it's the Golfers skill which either makes it travel down or across. It's best, IMHO to allow it to travel On-Plane, at least into Release. It's simple Zone 1 control.

Well, as long as we're on the subject, I think that Left Wrist Cocking and Uncocking is just to accommodate the Right Elbow Bending and straightening.

It's still Accumulator #2 and actuated by CF. But, it's Allowed by Right Arm Straightening, which is the Product of the Left Arm being Blasted off the chest.

Consider that the Right Forearm Wedge doesn't change geometry (restrained) or, in place of your Left Arm simply grab your Left sleeve, and then the concept of the Cocked Left Wrist changes to one of Right Arm Straightening.

As far as #2 Accumulator being the "Velocity Accumulator", it's important to note that the Clubhead reaches it's maximum speed as soon as it's Released. It doesn't gain speed during Release resulting from the continuing Uncocking (although it will from Accumulator #3). This is consistent with Right Arm Straightening which also reaches it's maximum speed at the moment of Release and doesn't increase speed as it's travel distance increases (Passive Straightening).

[Mike O]

As far as #2 Accumulator being the "Velocity Accumulator", it's important to note that the Clubhead reaches it's maximum speed as soon as it's Released. It doesn't gain speed during Release resulting from the continuing Uncocking (although it will from Accumulator #3)

Daryl,
I lost you here - can you elaborate?

[Daryl]

Daryl,
I lost you here - can you elaborate?

I'll try, but I don't know if this works. I'm not talking about the "Overtaking Rate" which Accelerates the Clubhead through Impact. I'm very specifically referring to the #2 Accumulator and how it's speed is generated and determined.

During the Downstroke the Clubhead may be traveling at 50 mph. At Release it speeds up to 100 mph and stays at that speed until Impact. The more you can Delay Release, the faster the Clubhead will move to Reach it's Inline Condition. So, it's not the amount of Cocking and Uncocking that determines Clubhead speed gained by Accumulator #2, but rather it's reaction Time; the Shortness of it's Travel time.

More #3 Pressure increases Clubhead Mass, not Clubhead Speed.

I don't know, I could be misinterpreting the whole thing.

2-M-1 BASIC POWER
“Centrifugal Acceleration” (per 2-K) is staunchly proportional to the Angular Speed of its Center and reaches a maximum speed almost instantly after Release and tries to remain constant.

[HungryBear]

I do not wish to take a position but I would like to contribute 2 pieces of anecdotal information:

1. 7-24 paragraph 5 starts- The term "Release" can well be considered a contining action including Impact and Follow-through ......

2. Published charts of kenetic sequencing (golf stroke) indicate increase in shaft velocity (degrees /sec.) until Impact.

The Bear

Ps. Is ther any electronic version of TGM which would make search, cut and pase easy?