PP3--Top to End

[HungryBear]

I am still havng a little trouble resolving the proper PP3 placement.



Can anyone help?

The Bear

[O.B.Left]

Just found this edited version of the Coleman video showing only the pressure point discussion.

He says "pad" for whatever its worth.


When he says "just going through" do you take that to be a Passive Indirect thing? I did when I first watched it .....maybe its not clear though. The answer to this question has implications...Release Trigger implications and others.

[BerntR]

Hah, Bernt you bastdrd........you "invented" more established facts than I ever did....

How are you mate?

Thanks for the flowers

Knowledge creation is a beautiful thing.

[HungryBear]

Just found this edited version of the Coleman video showing only the pressure point discussion.

He says "pad" for whatever its worth.


When he says "just going through" do you take that to be a Passive Indirect thing? I did when I first watched it .....maybe its not clear though. The answer to this question has implications...Release Trigger implications and others.

That is a great clip.
Also, The many, many time Yoda has said that the hands are just clamps. Also the many many time Ben Doyle has said "stop adding".

Now the trouble statement from me-(this is ME as a newbie talking)
"It doesn't matter"
Do everything WITHOUT any PP3. Both swinging and hitting.
Then and only then put #3 back as a sensor to give feedback.
#3 is not a general push point to move the club. So put it where it gives the best feedback.
{I'm just being a little blunt and dramatic because I had gone years without understanding-I am sure it will be noted that the hitting procedure may require a "dabble" of active #3pp- but again - it may do more harm than good for a time- and the hit with only #1pp pushing is a exhilerating adventure to discover}

The Bear

[DOCW3]

In the teaching, the right elbow and forearm are "re-positioned" when moving from Top to End as the Wrist is Turned. 7-3 explains the different alignments. Is the change also required/necessary to maintain the alignment of the Power Package basic structure and the integrity of The Flying Wedges?

Ref: 6-B-3-0-1

In the Free Gallery--LBG Videos---PP3 Where Are You-- Yoda teaches that #3 pressure point for the Hitter is behind the shaft at the Top but the Swinger in continuing to End has it on top of the shaft. He also discusses elbow position.

What happens to accomplish this change?

Ref: 7-3 STROKES--BASIC , second paragraph

[Daryl]

In the teaching, the right elbow and forearm are "re-positioned" when moving from Top to End as the Wrist is Turned. 7-3 explains the different alignments. Is the change also required/necessary to maintain the alignment of the Power Package basic structure and the integrity of The Flying Wedges?

Ref: 6-B-3-0-1

The basic structure of Power Package are the Left Arm and Right Forearm Flying Wedges oriented at 90 degrees to each other. Nothing should alter this alignment. Moving from Top to End should not alter this Alignment.

Construct your Wedges while sitting down at a Table with your Left Wrist Vertical to the Ground. Lower your Right Elbow to the Table. Rotate the Wedges to the Right while keeping the Right Elbow on the Tabletop. You have now moved from "Top" to "End" as far as the Wedges are concerned.

This is where we part paths DOW3. It's either a misunderstanding on my part or a real difference in interpretation or both.

I claim that Swingers don't have a "Top" and Hitters don't have an "End".

For Hitters, going from "Top" to "End" does not relocate the Right Elbow, but only the Hands, which re-aligns the Right Forearm, which Swivels the Wrists (re-alignment) and converts a Single Wrist Action Backstroke to a Standard Action Backstroke.

Wherever a Swinger using Standard Wrist Action Halts his Backstroke, he is at "End Alignment". Wherever a Hitter using Single Wrist Action Halts his Backstroke, he is at "Top Alignment". If the Hitter's Hands continue moving while the Elbow cannot**, he will (may) unintentionally load the Secondary Lever. The difference in terminology is needed to explain/understand this phenomena.

Section #6 is "Top". This should not be confused with the "Top" vs. "End" terminology. One is a Section of the Golf Stroke while the other two are Force Alignment Orientations. "Top" is the term used to identify the #3 Pressure Point Loaded against the Primary Lever and "End" is the Term used to identify the #3 Pressure Point Loaded against the Secondary Lever.


**If the Elbow continues it will move off plane (then none of this matters). Or, the Elbow may not move farther than its physical limitation during the backstroke but the Hands have a greater range of motion, mean they can continue when the Elbow cannot. The Hands will move from Top to End.



Hey, I can be completely wrong. But I don't think so. But I'm more than willing to update my knowledge if you are willing to show me a different way of interpreting "Top"/"End". And, so that I don't spend the rest of my life going down the wrong path (and end up like a Philadelphia school teacher) I would be thankful of the correction sooner rather than later.

[innercityteacher]

The basic structure of Power Package are the Left Arm and Right Forearm Flying Wedges oriented at 90 degrees to each other. Nothing should alter this alignment. Moving from Top to End should not alter this Alignment.

Construct your Wedges while sitting down at a Table with your Left Wrist Vertical to the Ground. Lower your Right Elbow to the Table. Rotate the Wedges to the Right while keeping the Right Elbow on the Tabletop. You have now moved from "Top" to "End" as far as the Wedges are concerned.

This is where we part paths DOW3. It's either a misunderstanding on my part or a real difference in interpretation or both.

I claim that Swingers don't have a "Top" and Hitters don't have an "End".

For Hitters, going from "Top" to "End" does not relocate the Right Elbow, but only the Hands, which re-aligns the Right Forearm, which Swivels the Wrists (re-alignment) and converts a Single Wrist Action Backstroke to a Standard Action Backstroke.

Wherever a Swinger using Standard Wrist Action Halts his Backstroke, he is at "End Alignment". Wherever a Hitter using Single Wrist Action Halts his Backstroke, he is at "Top Alignment". If the Hitter's Hands continue moving while the Elbow cannot**, he will (may) unintentionally load the Secondary Lever. The difference in terminology is needed to explain/understand this phenomena.

Section #6 is "Top". This should not be confused with the "Top" vs. "End" terminology. One is a Section of the Golf Stroke while the other two are Force Alignment Orientations. "Top" is the term used to identify the #3 Pressure Point Loaded against the Primary Lever and "End" is the Term used to identify the #3 Pressure Point Loaded against the Secondary Lever.


**If the Elbow continues it will move off plane (then none of this matters). Or, the Elbow may not move farther than its physical limitation during the backstroke but the Hands have a greater range of motion, mean they can continue when the Elbow cannot. The Hands will move from Top to End.



Hey, I can be completely wrong. But I don't think so. But I'm more than willing to update my knowledge if you are willing to show me a different way of interpreting "Top"/"End". And, so that I don't spend the rest of my life going down the wrong path (and end up like a Philadelphia school teacher) I would be thankful of the correction sooner rather than later.

Once I show them your avatar, you are toast fella!

Moi.

[Daryl]

I'm Toast?

Then you're a "Muffin".

[O.B.Left]

I am still havng a little trouble resolving the proper PP3 placement.

Attachment 2448

Can anyone help?

The Bear

10-11-0-3 PRESSURE POINT #3.

".............This Pressure Point is located and manipulated per Grip Type (10-2), Lag Loading (10-19) and Delivery Line (2-J-3) requirements. It is Loaded (10-22) per 7-19 as required by Component 19 application being employed (10-19)."


Also see photo 10-11-0-3. The white arrow, it clearly isnt pointed at the "pad" there, for that grip type which Im thinking is a 10-2-B.


Bear, Im thinking that you could feel the load associated with Drag or Drive Loading with any part of the hand that is attached to the Top or Aft of the Shaft respectively. But given a 10-2-B grip , a Right Index Finger positioned in a "c" like manner with knuckle on Top and First Joint on the the Aft would be a great perhaps ideal way to sense the loading, the inertia, the clubhead's lagging condition, the clubhead's weight, both along the Top and the Aft, assuming you load both.

If Lag is golfs secret and it must be sustained not fired, then its associated pressure point with its two locations is the golfers means of monitoring , feeling, the secret.

[O.B.Left]

Construct your Wedges while sitting down at a Table with your Left Wrist Vertical to the Ground. Lower your Right Elbow to the Table. Rotate the Wedges to the Right while keeping the Right Elbow on the Tabletop. You have now moved from "Top" to "End" as far as the Wedges are concerned.

Typical Swinger getting the Right Forearm Flying Wedge's plane and the Inclined Plane all miscombobulated.


With the Right Forearm Flying Wedge "lying on the table" ( the plane of the right wrist bend, the plane of the RFFW) a turn of the entire RFFW to the right (keeping it and the degree of right wrist bend intact) ......as an illustration of the Left Wrist turning to the Inclined Plane as in Wrist Action during the backswing say.........would see the clubshaft rotate so its aft lay on the table top while the Right Hand rotated under the plane , palm to plane, with the right forearm and elbow moved under the table top , which now represents the Inclined Plane not the Plane of the RFFW.

It'll stay that way until or during Release where (typically) either CF Throwout, Swinging or Drive out, Hitting will see the left wrist swivel off its aligned flat to plane condition. Once the Hitter Drives against the Aft of the Shaft (at pressure point #1) the Left Wrist Leaves the Inclined Plane, Release is underway. Continuos Thrusting as the Hitter creates his own Lag by Driving the Wet Mop. As opposed to the Swinger's CF Throwout that once let loose , could see him fall asleep as its continues on its own. And so the Hitter must Delay the Drive from Startdown through to his desired Release Point for all but Full Sweep Release type shots by Delaying his Active Right Arm Extension , his Right Arm Throw (10-20). He transports the fully loaded #1 , the Right Elbow, from Top through Startdown to his desired Release Point.......via the Pivot. Best practiced with Startdown Waggles.


Four Barrel , Hitting with Drag Loading in Startdown will load both the Top and the Aft of the Shaft. Three Barrel Hitting just the aft for Drive Loading right?

........But is there no loading during the 3B Hitters transport of the loaded #1 from Top to Release? Sure seems like Drag Loading in my swing or maybe Im 4B'n it. Where's my extra hundred yards if thats what im doing? Does this relate to the Hitters slow start down? I dunno.

Its sort of like either the top/bottom axis or the aft/fore axis of the shaft is aligned to the Inclined Plane and Swiveling rolls em over. The direction of loading based upon what it is you are loading, left wrist or right elbow determines which pressure point is loaded at Top ..........how ever short a swing it is to my mind. It's the pressure point that "rotates a quarter turn" moves from aft to top , first joint to knuckle, nothing else moves although the Right Elbow , indeed the entire Right Forearm Flying Wedge aligns to support the load in what ever direction it is loading.


Whach ya think D? I dunno.