Swingers right shoulder and Accumulator 4

[golfbulldog]

What do people think of the movement of the right shouler - with particular reference to the initiation of accumulator 4 release.

What feels do you think players might get if they were to stop making an "over the top" motion and make a more Hogan/conventional on plane motion?

I have my own thoughts about what this shows and the feelings that I get when I attempt to do this... but interested in your thoughts.

Thanks

References
I edited this clip from clips already on the internet. Hope nobody minds... The initial clip is from Shell Wrld of Golf ( I think) and the animation is apparently based on Hogan swing from work done by another AI (Greg McHatton (same AI class as Yoda i think!) and a university department - I think).

[Daryl]

What do people think of the movement of the right shouler - with particular reference to the initiation of accumulator 4 release.

What feels do you think players might get if they were to stop making an "over the top" motion and make a more Hogan/conventional on plane motion?

I have my own thoughts about what this shows and the feelings that I get when I attempt to do this... but interested in your thoughts.

Thanks

References
I edited this clip from clips already on the internet. Hope nobody minds... The initial clip is from Shell Wrld of Golf ( I think) and the animation is apparently based on Hogan swing from work done by another AI (Greg McHatton (same AI class as Yoda i think!) and a university department - I think).

Who created the Model? Hogan appears to have more Right Arm Bend at Impact than the Model.

Hogan has a Straight Line Delivery Path. One feeling might be that You're hitting to Right Field.

[12 piece bucket]

Who created the Model? Hogan appears to have more Right Arm Bend at Impact than the Model.

Hogan has a Straight Line Delivery Path. One feeling might be that You're hitting to Right Field.

I don't know boss . . . . there's not much right field in Hogan's motion . . . his hands work back up and in as fast as anybody that has ever played the game.

[12 piece bucket]

What do people think of the movement of the right shouler - with particular reference to the initiation of accumulator 4 release.

What feels do you think players might get if they were to stop making an "over the top" motion and make a more Hogan/conventional on plane motion?

I have my own thoughts about what this shows and the feelings that I get when I attempt to do this... but interested in your thoughts.

Thanks

References


I edited this clip from clips already on the internet. Hope nobody minds... The initial clip is from Shell Wrld of Golf ( I think) and the animation is apparently based on Hogan swing from work done by another AI (Greg McHatton (same AI class as Yoda i think!) and a university department - I think).

It has to do with HOW you release #4 . . . Hogan releases #4 more down his chest vertically than "out" . . . that's one of the main reasons that his arms look so connected to his body and why his handle stays low through the ball.

[Weightshift]

What do people think of the movement of the right shoulder - with particular reference to the initiation of accumulator 4 release.

At what point in his swing do you think 4 is being released?

I would say that 4 is not being used if he mimics "the old two-hand basket ball pass" (p.98 of Five Lessons, 1957)

[12 piece bucket]

At what point in his swing do you think 4 is being released?

I would say that 4 is not being used if he mimics "the old two-hand basket ball pass" (p.98 of Five Lessons, 1957)

There's no question that it is being released or the club would go right over the ball . . . the question is in what fashion is it being released . . .

Test drive it . . . look at somebody like Nicklaus or Hoch vs. Sergio or Hogan . . . for your hands to work that close to your body #4 has to work different.

For the club to get around and the handle to stay low the left arm has to work different . . . watch how much lower the club "exits" for Hogan vs. Jack . . . Jack's club and hands come up thru between his neck and ear . . . Hogan's are below his shoulder . . .

To get there you gotta move a lot of stuff different . . .

[mrodock]

To get there you gotta move a lot of stuff different . . .

-more pivot rotation, less lateral movement
-shoulders working more level, not as tilted through impact
-arms staying connected to the torso into impact and thereafter
-more right arm bend at impact, and later right arm straightening
-head remaining relatively in position in the downswing, that is, it doesn't move left (targetward) in the beginning of the downswing, and then back up as you get close to impact

[Daryl]

-more pivot rotation, less lateral movement
-shoulders working more level, not as tilted through impact
-arms staying connected to the torso into impact and thereafter
-more right arm bend at impact, and later right arm straightening
-head remaining relatively in position in the downswing, that is, it doesn't move left (targetward) in the beginning of the downswing, and then back up as you get close to impact

Hmm? you better drop some bread crumbs so you can find your way back.

[mrodock]

Hmm? you better drop some bread crumbs so you can find your way back.

I'm not worried, you can worry for me if it fits your disposition.

[Weightshift]

There's no question that it is being released or the club would go right over the ball ..

How much of the left arm has to be in contact with the torso for pp4 to be unreleased?