TGM perfect?

[airair]

What do you say to what Michael Jacobs says about TGM, that it is old-fashioned in some areas:

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3D analysis of ball - club - body has provided a lot more valid scientific information that The Golfing Machine does not provide at the moment.

To name some quickly:

Hitting & Swinging

Hinging

Heavy Hit

Geometry of the stroke

Component List

Would love to see it get updated!!! We will probably get into this area much more in the winter time

Michael Jacobs, GSED

[Daryl]

Some draw attention to themselves at the expense of others. Some because of their own merits and accomplishments.

Did his comments help you decide to buy one of his Instructional DVD's?

[KevCarter]

IMO, to fully understand the nuances of TGM you need a guide, someone who spoke with, and learned under Mr. Kelley. Perfect? Absolutely not, but Lynn Blake understands the direction Mr. Kelley was headed, along with the compensations needed to apply the wonderful work today. That is why I'm here.

Kevin

[dodger]

It is a shame these provocative posts are made for no other reason but to attempt to create controversy where none really exists. Mike Jacobs is a GSED who has a lot of insight into teaching. He was asked what areas of the golfing machine need updating and he gave an opinion based on his interpretation of technology Homer did not have available. Why not focus on the great instruction this site provides, rather than to create pissing matches. A lot of golf swings out there, lots of ways to do things, pretty worthwhile to look at all of them now and then even if you have preferences.

[innercityteacher]

IMO, to fully understand the nuances of TGM you need a guide, someone who spoke with, and learned under Mr. Kelley. Perfect? Absolutely not, but Lynn Blake understands the direction Mr. Kelley was headed, along with the compensations needed to apply the wonderful work today. That is why I'm here.

Kevin

Excuse me for applying a bit of a literate reflection based on personal knowledge of the concept of "perfect," combined with my very happy experiences with TGM as taught by adherents to this site.

In ancient Hebrew, with it's small vocabulary, words meanings are based on context. The ancient Hebrews simply did not say the name of "God" since it was blasphemous for the "limited" human to speak of the "unlimited" Deity. So, to get to our point, when we speak of "perfect" we are automatically speaking about the meaning of the Hebrew word "perfect." Nothing on earth, in this sphere, can be without fault.

Wanna guess as to that meaning? "Perfect," referred to what was mature or good. Mature, sensible, good, true, effective, helpful, towards the sensible, all those terms describe the owners and operators within the sphere of golf instruction on this site, as far as I can tell.

Does that mean that Mr. Blake and this site cannot improve? In business at American Express, we often practiced the "20-80" rule. Twenty percent of a person's talents yield about eighty percent of their effectiveness. No human is good at everything. Every person or organization has "core competencies" which are the heart and soul of their effectiveness. Should this site improve? Sure. But improvement should be directed along the lines of enhancing the "core" of the TGM instruction "as performed here."

We all fight the same set of problems of limited time and resources. With unlimited finances, what would our careers look like? Would we engage in a career at all? Hmmm. So then, how do we make a living given our limited skills and coin? If another person believes in their soul that they have a good idea for this website, let them fly it up the flag pole and see who salutes. If no one accepts the ideas, and the person wants to go ahead, well then, knock yourself out! Step up! Throw down! Launch that rocket ship!

Meanwhile, I've never been closer to breaking 80 and shooting par than I am now. I have all the tools I need on this site, and lots of intelligent, knowledgeable help. If a person wants to help me, fine, use this forum and let's see your insight and skills. If a person simply wants to prattle on about how things could be better for the purposes of self-aggrandizement because they are immature, well, we are busy.

Patrick

[airair]

I'm very green with regards to TGM. I would love if it is "perfect". Therefore I didn't like what Michael Jacobs had to say. But he hasn't actually explained anything by saying this.

[innercityteacher]

I'm very green with regards to TGM. I would love if it is "perfect". Therefore I didn't like what Michael Jacobs had to say. But he hasn't actually explained anything by saying this.

What do you usually score when you play? What is your age, physical health? What sre your golfing goals?

I have one leg shorter than the other by 1.75" and an artificial hip with 11 hip operations. I have lost over 25 lbs. since December of this year, but still need to lose another 40 lbs to be at a "good" weight. I started in March with this site having shot in the 90's last summer with a 21 hcp.

My hcp. index is now 13.8. I shot lower than my new index all last week so I expect that'll change again.

My last 6, nine-hole scores on a par 71 have been 42, 40,40, 44, 40, and 40 using the TGM techniques I have learned with a certified TGM instructor here near Philly, and Lynn Blake trained instructors in Minnesota, and instruction from great people on this website.

So, welcome! Use the search functions on this forum if you need info and get the TGM book if you can and ask questions!

Patrick

[airair]

I'm 62 (from Norway). Played for 21 years. Have had 17 in hcp, now 21. Have always been a hitter - but unfortunately with an awful OTT out-to-in steep downswing with a bent left wrist, so it's about time to get a grip on this.

[Yoda]

What do you say to what Michael Jacobs says about TGM, that it is old-fashioned in some areas:

--

3D analysis of ball - club - body has provided a lot more valid scientific information that The Golfing Machine does not provide at the moment.

To name some quickly:

Hitting & Swinging

Hinging

Heavy Hit

Geometry of the stroke

Component List

Would love to see it get updated!!! We will probably get into this area much more in the winter time

Michael Jacobs, GSED

Bring on the 'New and Improved' Truth!

Homer Kelley would be the first to encourage additions to his Body of Knowledge. In fact, he did exactly that:

"Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available -- but separately. And probably endlessly." (1-H)

He would, however, be a formidable competitor to those who would prove his basic premises wrong. That argument would start first with a correct understanding of the premise in question. Unfortunately, that understanding is almost always the first stumbling block of "those who would be king".

Regarding things "old fashioned" . . .

While we're at it, let's update those pesky Ten Commandments, too. This "Thou shalt not Lie, Kill, Steal, Envy, etc." business is getting rather old. As all who observe "modern" society can readily see.

I mean, it's so different now, right?

Right??

[dodger]

Or the U.S. Constitution for that matter. Frankly I find a lot more reliability these days in the Golfing Machine than either the Ten Commandments or the Constitution. Not one sentence in the book indicates Homer was anything but open minded and non-dogmatic. "Complexity is far more acceptable and workable than mystery is." What a great sentence.