Combating Throw Away

[hg]

Regarding the throw out action/feel on the downswing as discussed on the videos, I have seen instructors drilling their students to throw a club towards the target...I was wondering if this is an effective drill...should the drill be down and out where the club would be thrown into the ground or right of target towards first base.

[6bmike]

Regarding the throw out action/feel on the downswing as discussed on the videos, I have seen instructors drilling their students to throw a club towards the target...I was wondering if this is an effective drill...should the drill be down and out where the club would be thrown into the ground or right of target towards first base.

I may be wrong but the throw-out feel is well before the ball. Almost a feel as if you are throwing the clubhead in the ground behind the ball closer to the right knee. This is scary for most golfers. The pivot, acc#4 and the transfer of acc#3- the "ROLL" sqaures the face on the ball.

The drill of tossing the club down target is fine but the throw of the clubhead starts before impact. That drill is a good way to feel final swivel and follow through.

corrections on this feel?

[12 piece bucket]

I may be wrong but the throw-out feel is well before the ball. Almost a feel as if you are throwing the clubhead in the ground behind the ball closer to the right knee. This is scary for most golfers. The pivot, acc#4 and the transfer of acc#3- the "ROLL" sqaures the face on the ball.

The drill of tossing the club down target is fine but the throw of the clubhead starts before impact. That drill is a good way to feel final swivel and follow through.

corrections on this feel?

I have often thought that too but I am basically a woman in man's clothing.

It would be nice to have a HEAVY's comment on this thought.

[EdZ]

I may be wrong but the throw-out feel is well before the ball. Almost a feel as if you are throwing the clubhead in the ground behind the ball closer to the right knee. This is scary for most golfers. The pivot, acc#4 and the transfer of acc#3- the "ROLL" sqaures the face on the ball.

The drill of tossing the club down target is fine but the throw of the clubhead starts before impact. That drill is a good way to feel final swivel and follow through.

corrections on this feel?

The feel in my case depends on how much axis tilt/delayed release I am using.

If I am going for max delay, more axis tilt and a 'deep' release (snap), it really feels like a throw towards the ground near my right foot (the right shoulder moving downplane/snap release)

With less axis tilt/more level shoulders (sweep release), the the feel is more of a throw down and out to aiming point/both arms straight - through the impact hand location)

In both cases the throw is DOWNplane to both arms straight, through the inside corner of the ball - so yes, slightly out to right field.

Very much like Wally Armstrong's image of kicking a soccer ball (inside corner, slightly out to the right)

[Erik_K]

Throwing clubs is a fine drill and one that I would advocate for most struggling golfers.

It encourages an ATHLETIC move through the ball. It'll make you swing through the balll TO the target. I love the feeling/thought that the ball is in the way, and getting students to throw the club helps eradicate clubHEAD throwaway.

[6bmike]

Throwing clubs is a fine drill and one that I would advocate for most struggling golfers.

It encourages an ATHLETIC move through the ball. It'll make you swing through the balll TO the target. I love the feeling/thought that the ball is in the way, and getting students to throw the club helps eradicate clubHEAD throwaway.

The drill is fine but it isn't the same throw -out feel prior to impact. My point was that one must think of throw out - a hand throw, the release of acc2 and acc3- being to the right side of the ball. Then throw the club and let go after follow through if you like.

[Yoda]

Throwing clubs is a fine drill and one that I would advocate for most struggling golfers.

It encourages an ATHLETIC move through the ball. It'll make you swing through the balll TO the target. I love the feeling/thought that the ball is in the way, and getting students to throw the club helps eradicate clubHEAD throwaway.

Erik,

At bottom, isn't this is the concept of 'Dragging your Wet Mop' through Impact? The Club constantly trailing the leading Hands...until the 'Throw' down the range? And even then...the Feeling is that the Hands never Quit (3-F-7-B), i.e., they continue their leading, Dragging Motion all the way to the Finish?

Of course, in an actual Golf Stroke, the Swivel Action at the end of the Follow-Through ultimately allows the Clubhead to overtake the Hands. But the Feeling (and fact) is...

There is no release of the Clubhead Lag Pressure.

[phillygolf]

Regarding the throw out action/feel on the downswing as discussed on the videos, I have seen instructors drilling their students to throw a club towards the target...I was wondering if this is an effective drill...should the drill be down and out where the club would be thrown into the ground or right of target towards first base.

Hi HG,
UM...uh hmmm...throwaway could be the result of alot of issues.......including (my opinion), the BALL!!!!

Check out 3-F (all of it).

AND, mostly, disregard the ball - flight, distance, etc. Make the motion (on plane), the motion makes the shot.

I suspect anxiety - steering, is causing you to 'quit', therefor, steer.

My 2 cents worth, and please, take it at that! (2 cents!)

[12 piece bucket]

Hi HG,
UM...uh hmmm...throwaway could be the result of alot of issues.......including (my opinion), the BALL!!!!

FANTASTIC POINT!!! Philly have you done any work on your game in this area? What have you done to "fix it?"

[Erik_K]

Erik,

At bottom, isn't this is the concept of 'Dragging your Wet Mop' through Impact? The Club constantly trailing the leading Hands...until the 'Throw' down the range? And even then...the Feeling is that the Hands never Quit (3-F-7-B), i.e., they continue their leading, Dragging Motion all the way to the Finish?

Of course, in an actual Golf Stroke, the Swivel Action at the end of the Follow-Through ultimately allows the Clubhead to overtake the Hands. But the Feeling (and fact) is...

There is no release of the Clubhead Lag Pressure.

Lynn,

I apologize for not responding earlier. I've been busy lately (finished the PhD at UF and now I am teaching there as well).

You are 100% correct, Lynn. The motion I am describing (the throw of the club TO the target) actually helps combat clubhead throwaway. It's merely another analogy to help get the same result.

The action I am encouraging does indeed dovetail with one of the more important principals of TGM-sustain the lag.