"Creation of Lag Pressure" by Ted Fort

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My query was not so much about "how much" lag pressure should be added to one's swing. Rather I was curious about how much lag pressure was being generated during the suprisingly non violent looking hitter's downswing waggle, and whether the majority of the lag wasn't being exerted instead during the punching motion that followed. No disrespect intended, but I would feel much more comfortable if the author of the hitter's swing I was studying, Ted Fort, might possibly provide the answer to my question.

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My query was not so much about "how much" lag pressure should be added to one's swing. Rather I was curious about how much lag pressure was being generated during the suprisingly non violent looking hitter's downswing waggle, and whether the majority of the lag wasn't being exerted instead during the punching motion that followed. No disrespect intended, but I would feel much more comfortable if the author of the hitter's swing I was studying, Ted Fort, might possibly provide the answer to my question.

No offense taken . . . I just thought you may want to know Homer Kelley's thoughts on the matter . . . I'd certainly like to hear Ted's as well.

One thing to think about would be in regards to your query the nature of Hand Acceleration required in the Hitters Stroke inorder to sustain the Lag Pressure loaded by the Pivot . . . the "non violent" looking Downstroke Waggle (and Start Down) has much to do with the nature of Hand Acceleration and thus Lag Pressure.

The Swinger's method of Acceleration vs. the Hitter's is where the answer to your query lies.

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No offense taken . . . I just thought you may want to know Homer Kelley's thoughts on the matter . . . I'd certainly like to hear Ted's as well.

One thing to think about would be in regards to your query the nature of Hand Acceleration required in the Hitters Stroke inorder to sustain the Lag Pressure loaded by the Pivot . . . the "non violent" looking Downstroke Waggle (and Start Down) has much to do with the nature of Hand Acceleration and thus Lag Pressure.

The Swinger's method of Acceleration vs. the Hitter's is where the answer to your query lies.

Be aware that 'quick startdown' in a swinger's case does not mean 'quick hands', but is a function of the pivot train moving from the feet up through the body at startdown - at its quickest producing snap loading via quick knee motion/hip action.

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Here are two more observation on the same subject.

1) Lynn Blake discussing the subject of hitting with Ted Fort in part two of the Lynn Blake/Ted Fort/Jeff Hull Video said that "all the hitter's got is his right triceps and if you start using it too soon, your dead." That seems to be a suggestion that the slow downswing waggle simply sets up the right elbow properly "taking up the slack", so that that the right triceps is able to generate maximum lag punching through the ball?

2) There seems to be a signficant difference between Lynn Blake's hitter's start down waggle as shown in the previous Lynn Blake/Jeff Hull video and Ted Fort's. In Lynn Blake's startdown waggle, the right knee bends forward forward as his hips both rotate and move forward. From what I could see Ted's downswing waggle is limited to forward hip movement. Perhaps his hip rotation is reserved to support his "paddlewheel punch".

Are my eyes deceiving me? I wonder whether because Lynn switches between hitting and swinging frequently, it is impossible for him to modify all aspects of his swing throughly everytime he changes from his hitting swing to swinging swing?

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Here are two more observation on the same subject.

1) Lynn Blake discussing the subject of hitting with Ted Fort in part two of the Lynn Blake/Ted Fort/Jeff Hull Video said that "all the hitter's got is his right triceps and if you start using it too soon, your dead." That seems to be a suggestion that the slow downswing waggle simply sets up the right elbow properly "taking up the slack", so that that the right triceps is able to generate maximum lag punching through the ball?

2) There seems to be a signficant difference between Lynn Blake's hitter's start down waggle as shown in the previous Lynn Blake/Jeff Hull video and Ted Fort's. In Lynn Blake's startdown waggle, the right knee bends forward forward as his hips both rotate and move forward. From what I could see Ted's downswing waggle is limited to forward hip movement. Perhaps his hip rotation is reserved to support his "paddlewheel punch".

Are my eyes deceiving me? I wonder whether because Lynn switches between hitting and swinging frequently, it is impossible for him to modify all aspects of his swing throughly everytime he changes from his hitting swing to swinging swing?

You're observations are on point.

1. The Hitter's Startdown is SLOW for a reason. As a result of being total dependent on alignments, structure and the muscle power of the Right Tricep his max hands speed is achieved LATER because he doesn't have CF to help him. The Hitter must accelerate and drive ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE AIMING POINT. If the Hitter's Startdown is too quick he achieves his hand speed too soon.

On the other hand the Swinger is dependent upon CF rather than trying to stifle it. His max hand speed is reached much quicker and then CF just does its work. That is why he is dependent on a QUICK Startdown.

2. Also keep in mind the Pivot is PARALLEL to the Delivery Line selected. Hitters have the Angle of Approach Delivery Line available to them. This is a Cross Line procedure "out to right field." As a result, the Hip Motion is Cross Line rather than On-Line. The Swinger and the Hitter can use the true Geometric Plane Line which is a On-Line parallel slide to the Plane Line. The Swinger can also use the Arc of Approach procedure and as a result the Hip Motion is more of a Turn than a Slide thus being in compliance with the Curved line of the Arc of Approach Deliver Line.

As a result the Startdown Waggles will look different due to the differences in the Delivery Lines.

I can't speak for Yoda . . . but if I had to guess he traces the Straight Plane Line in BOTH his Hitting and Swinging procedures . . . and therefore the startdowns will look somewhat similar as a result of the Delivery Lines being the same.

Just a guess though.

I got the 4th at work. I thought this was illustrative . . . this passage didn't make it forward for some reason but this is from 10-19-0 in the 4th:

Drive Loading Rhythm is Muscular Acceleration - the same Lag Pressure in both directions with steadily increasing Handspeed.

Drag Loading Rhythm is "Centrifugal Acceleration" - the same Handspeed in both directions.

Here's another couple of interesting ones from the 4th that didn't move forward . . . .

10-19-A DRIVE LOADING . . . Drive Loading is the "Axe Handle" technique - an out-and-out Right Arm Thrust against the Clubhead Lag (Angular Inertia) striving to accelerate (radially) a Pre-stressed (Bent) Clubshaft, from a slow Start Down through Impact. . . Clubhead Throwaway here is usually due to over-acceleration.

10-19-C DRAG LOADING . . . Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own orbit. Then further acceleration will only cause uncontrolled "Hitting," guaranteeing Clubhead Throwaway.

Develop an "Instant Acceleration" Hip Action (to the desired Handspeed per 10-15-B so that the Throw Out Action (6-B-3) can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downstroke Sequence.

So the nature of Acceleration is VITAL to the sucess and distinction of the two procedures. The Swinger reaches his max handspeed quickly and then holds it constant. HE MUST NOT TRY TO ACCELERATE HIS HANDS FURTHER!!! On the other hand the Hitter MUST CONTINUE TO ACCELERATE otherwise he will fizzle out pre-maturely. The Hitter is sole dependent on ACCELERATION because he doesn't have CF to help him out.

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I can't speak for Yoda . . . but if I had to guess he traces the Straight Plane Line in BOTH his Hitting and Swinging procedures . . . and therefore the startdowns will look somewhat similar as a result of the Delivery Lines being the same.

Just a guess though.

Based on his demonstration of the hitter's startdown waggle in the original Jeff Hull acquired motion tape,. Yoda's startdown waggle is significantly different from Ted's. I used his downswing waggle demonstration as my model originally, and that is why I was so surprised when the part two Ted Fort interview video showed a significantly different form. Yoda is an astonishingly brilliant guy. But even so, I can't imagine that even he is quickly able to adjust minor aspects of his swing, so that everything is exactly as the book describes when he switches from swinger to hitter and then back again.

I appreciated the rest of your post very much bucket.

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Based on his demonstration of the hitter's startdown waggle in the original Jeff Hull acquired motion tape,. Yoda's startdown waggle is significantly different from Ted's. I used his downswing waggle demonstration as my model originally, and that is why I was so surprised when the part two Ted Fort interview video showed a significantly different form. Yoda is an astonishingly brilliant guy. But even so, I can't imagine that even he is quickly able to adjust minor aspects of his swing, so that everything is exactly as the book describes when he switches from swinger to hitter and then back again.

I appreciated the rest of your post very much bucket.

Yes sir . . . I think this is precisely why he uses Tracing the Straight Plane Line for both Hitting and Swinging. That way the Hip Motion can be the same Slide parallel to the Plane Line . . .

The Hitter using the Angle of Approach has the hips moving to Right Field which is an ENTIRELY different motion . . .

You are very wise to study the different startdowns because they must be compatible with the delivery line you select.

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Be aware that 'quick startdown' in a swinger's case does not mean 'quick hands', but is a function of the pivot train moving from the feet up through the body at startdown - at its quickest producing snap loading via quick knee motion/hip action.

E . . . What would be your description of INSTANT HIP ACCELERATION?

This is one that continues to elude Bucket.

What does it look/feel like? I think Hogan did it but are their any current players that would be posterboys?

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E . . . What would be your description of INSTANT HIP ACCELERATION?

This is one that continues to elude Bucket.

What does it look/feel like? I think Hogan did it but are their any current players that would be posterboys?

Hogan is an excellent example, Sergio too.

Easier to see in players who use a lot of float loading and/or snap loading (Nicklaus).

Imagine a whip motion - the root of 'instant' is that there is never any 'slack' in the whip - simply the change of direction causing the 'snap' in effectively two places - at loading/transition - and at both arms straight.

Cracking a whip going back, and cracking it going through - with the 'instant' startdown being the way you do it. If you were to pause at the top, you couldn't 'crack' the whip (load) on the backswing.

A hitter on the other hand, can get away with a pause at the top, because they don't need to build CF going back, they can simply use muscular force. In fact, it can be quite helpful for a hitter to literally stop at the top, to confirm delivery paths/lines, but a swinger doing the same would be in big trouble (no CF to provide power or square up the face).